From: Horse (horse@darkstar.uk.net)
Date: Thu Oct 24 2002 - 00:09:09 BST
Hi Joe
On 23 Oct 2002 at 11:55, jhmau wrote:
> I agree 'semantics surrounding the term judgement' is a stumbling block.
>
> IMO the MoQ is a description of how we know things. Through instinct I
> experience undefinable Dynamic Quality. I am changed! I have no words so I
> cannot talk about it. This is my experience.
>
> I can reflect upon this experience since my memory is a recorder and does
> not need words. When talking to another I use word metaphors or gesture
> metaphors and hope that my actions will trigger the memory of the other of
> similar experience. Friends do similar things. Afterwards I create a word
> that will represent the experience and will always trigger the memory. Thus
> the experience becomes a defined Static Quality, and I can use it for
> communication. In the beginning was the word IMO is a different formulation
> from Revelation.
I agree. The only way you can really express your experience is by means of static
patterns of value - and what remains of the DQ experience is no more than
static patterns of value.
Even our memory of it.
> IMO judgements are not dynamic experiences, and definitely need the human
> ability for definition to make possible communication about moral orders.
> My judgements do not change the moral orders. To judge me puts me into a
> static category. The assumption is that I will not change. If I change the
> judgement will be undefinable and useless. Neither will the one judging be
> able to change because the judgement will become imprecise. IMO not being
> able to change violates me. I act from the certainty of experience which
> changes me. For example racism and religious bigotry are judgements of
> individuals. In another moral order racism and religious bigotry are not
> judgements of individuals but of a group. In either case if I am judged I
> can experience it, and act badly. If I judge I can also act badly. By
> experience I avoid people who may harm me, not from judgement.
Your experiences provide you with the means by which to judge those that may harm
you and those that may not and thus avoid the former. This judgement is valid but it may
be that future events change your perception/judgement of this situation. The ability to
alter your judgement is also perfectly valid. What remains constant is the validity of the
judgement even it is wrong.
Horse
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