From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Oct 24 2002 - 19:09:09 BST
Hi Horse,
On 23 Oct 2002 at 4:09PM Horse wrote:
> Hi Joe
>
> On 23 Oct 2002 at 11:55, jhmau wrote:
>
> > I agree 'semantics surrounding the term judgement' is a stumbling block.
> >
> > IMO the MoQ is a description of how we know things. Through instinct I
> > experience undefinable Dynamic Quality. I am changed! I have no words
so I
> > cannot talk about it. This is my experience.
> >
> > I can reflect upon this experience since my memory is a recorder and
does
> > not need words. When talking to another I use word metaphors or gesture
> > metaphors and hope that my actions will trigger the memory of the other
of
> > similar experience. Friends do similar things. Afterwards I create a
word
> > that will represent the experience and will always trigger the memory.
Thus
> > the experience becomes a defined Static Quality, and I can use it for
> > communication. In the beginning was the word IMO is a different
formulation
> > from Revelation.
>
>
> I agree. The only way you can really express your experience is by means
of static
> patterns of value - and what remains of the DQ experience is no more than
> static patterns of value.
> Even our memory of it.
I do not agree, 'and what remains of the DQ experience is no more than
static patterns of value. Even our memory of it.'
IMO what remains of DQ is the change in me. When I use a static pattern to
describe what I experienced, I am one step removed from my memory of change.
After repeating words I forget the change and the song loses some of its
beauty. If I never hear the song again, I am haunted by its beauty. I
become sad for a lost moment. I become less willing to be lucky. When I go
to New York, I see a dirty, destroyed city. Growing has become shit as my
awareness threshold keeps out all memory of DQ. SOM is the pile I live in.
Know Thyself! is a call to reawaken memory. All the orders are in me. I
can remember them.
<snip>
>
> Your experiences provide you with the means by which to judge those that
may harm
> you and those that may not and thus avoid the former. This judgement is
valid but it may
> be that future events change your perception/judgement of this situation.
The ability to
> alter your judgement is also perfectly valid. What remains constant is the
validity of the
> judgement even it is wrong.
>
>
> Horse
'Your experiences etc'...It seems we are talking about the chicken and the
egg.
IMO The connection between knowledge and action is like a bridge. Whimsey!
I don't know why I did that? Memory! Well it could happen again. Trust!
In the social order trust in communication is a slippery bridge. Dogma!
Where I am dogma is a monstrous bridge. Certainty! In the dynamic
intellectual order, certainty is the normal bridge. The Suni's acceptance
of the value of the other's culture was proof against torture. I don't know
why I call that normal? I accept that there is a solar, cosmic, universal,
absolute order of Revelation with Faith as the bridge. I act from certain?
experience. I am the bridge.
joe
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