Who looks outside, dreams;
Who looks inside, awakes.
~*~Carl Jung~*~
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-----Original Message-----
From: glove <glove@indianvalley.com>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 9:35 PM
Subject: MD Animal Consciousness
dear glove:
you write:
as for animal consciousness, i am unconvinced that only
>'higher' forms of life are self-aware. i would imagine that your lizard
>could sense the chlorine in city water (if you have city water that is) and
>'know' it was not real rainwater, and then make a determination whether the
>water still suited his purpose. i am guessing that even 'lowly' bacteria can
>do that.
glove, that made me think of value. even a lizard could detect value in the natural water opposite the chlorine water...the lowly bacteria could detect value in certain situations as opposed to others. i see what you mean!
you also said:
>i would prefer to look at life forms as Pirsig does, patterns of value.
>awareness is that value too. to me, the metaphysics of quality doesnt say we
>as humans are superior because we happen to be human,
Would it mean that we have more value then because of our ability to perceive the intellect level?
you added:
>does this throw a monkeywrench into the metaphysics of quality? i really
>dont think so, because i think alot of people mistake awareness for
>intelligence and that is not what the intellect layer of the metaphysics of
>quality is, if i am interpreting it correctly. the intellect is Quality's
>way of creating high value situations for all species, from viruses to human
>beings.
>
>this passage from Lila says alot to me about what our awareness really
>consists of:
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>"Lila is a judge. Thats who lay here beside him tonight: a judge of hundreds
>of millions of years standing..." (Pg. 231)
>
>we humans do not have a monopoly on the type of awareness Pirsig is speaking
>of here. this is a Dynamic awareness that prevades time and space
glove, maybe what I got in touch with wasn't animal consciousness after all. maybe it's something which supersedes it, and is much older than that. I thought it was animal because there is a wildness or feral quality to it....unharnessed and dangerous. could this be the secret found in the East so long ago? in Maggie Hettinger's paper, she quotes Pirsig as having said:
The material for the MOQ is not something I invented out of thin air. It has been lying dormant
within the culture for centuries.
Is this what connects us...not only sentient life but inorganic matter, as well. perhaps because it has been forged with the same fire? in the released energies of a primal explosion?
A cosmic concept?
A universal consciousness?
A collective unconscious?
A Dionysiac principle?
A Dynamic quality?
Are they all and the same...interchangeable?
What do you think?
Lithien
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