hi Roger and everyone
Roger, i have tried to address a couple disagreements as well as some
agreements i have with your last email and which i think ties into other
discussions of morality going on now.
Roger wrote:
As I understand it, mind is a TOOL used by biological patterns to give them
more dynamic responses to stimuli. It allows them to store old static
instinctual patterns, but also to anticipate the environment and create new
reactions, etc.
Roger, whether the mind stores anything or not is very debatable. the mind
creates expedient pathways for patterns to flow, but just where those
patterns are stored has yet to be adequately explained as far as i know. i
do agree with you that the mind is a tool, but it would be improper to
assign the intellect to the mind in my opinion, which you seem to be leaning
towards.
Roger wrote:
The emergent higher level of Intellectual PoV’s includes philosophy,
science,
metaphysics, logic and truth. SOM has been the dominant intellectual truth.
Roger, i disagree. i would place all philosophic, scientific and religious
truths in the social level, not the intellect. these concepts all exist
because of the significance given to them by the ancient Greeks who were
operating in the social level. the intellect operates by destroying these
old social concepts and hopefully replacing them with something of higher
value. but the real reason this dance keeps dancing is Dynamic Quality.
Roger wrote:
It is now being threatened with a newer, more advanced pattern called MOQ.
By
more advanced, I mean more dynamic, more truthful (in describing reality),
broader (in pointing to new ideas outside of SOM’s narrow perimeter), and
deeper (than SOM’s shallow inorganic/biological is all that really exists
"objectively"). The MOQ is a better reflection of reality than SOM.
Roger, subject/object metaphysics is really a misnomer anyway since the
prefix meta- leads us to suppose something beyond the physics we can
experience. the germ of the Metaphysics of Quality lies within that prefix.
BO WRITES: <<<<<" Subject-objectivism cannot - and should not - be gotten
rid
of, it's VALUABLE; it has given us civilization as we know it.
Seeing it as the Static Intellectual Pattern of Value solved it all
for me. It was the highest GOOD, but being static it was still
subordinate to the overall Dynamic Quality; it was not a
metaphysics any more; the subject-object division is not fundamental;
AS IT IS, but a mere STAGE in the unending quality climb towards
betterness".>>>>>>>>>>>>
Roger writes:
I agree completely. SOM isn’t false any more than Newton’s law of gravity
is
false. MOQ and General Relativity may not be absolute, but they are broader
and deeper truths than those which they build upon.
Bodvar and Roger, i too agree with you, and you will notice each new idea
destroys the old static patterns that have become socialized. it could be
said that the intellect creates by destroying but thats not really right.
the intellect does not create anything. it destroys any static pattern in an
attempt to free itself. in the action of destruction is an action of
creation at the same time though, of new social patterns of value which lead
to higher value situations.
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