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From: Richard Budd <rmb29@cornell.edu>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 11:57 PM
Subject: MD Unpatternings
>Glove,
>You wrote:
>"the Saint is driven by the ability to transcend subjectively
>objectifying the universe and move into a realm of perceiving
un-patternings
>of value by using the intellect."
>
>This is great stuff G. I've never quite heard it put like this before.
>INTELLECT as an objective "tool" that lets you see "un-patternings of
>value" (uPoV).
Rick,
actually the intellect is subjective, as are social level patterns of value.
what i mean to say is the Saint has transcended seeing his/her "self" as
separate from the universe of objects. the Saint has given up self in order
to be driven Dynamically to destiny. Sainthood is not a conscious function!
it has transcended consciousness.
Rick writes:
ask--How do
>PoV's get to be uPoV's in the first place? Because of Society? Or is it
>caused by the INTELLECT as well? And if so, does that mean that INTELLECT
>is the ability to perceive PoV's and conceive of altering them? Please
>expand if possible.
Rick, please remember that i am flying by the seat of my pants here and this
house of cards could come tumbling down at any instant. what i envision is
similar to a wave of force moving thru static patterns of value. the wave
starts at consciousness and moves out in omni-directional oscillating
back-and-forth dance both thru time and space, as we conceive them.
we experience reality by patterning patterning new experiences and by
applying those patterns by association. this association is at first the
intellect at work. the intellect is not bound by restrictions of space and
time. the intellect is a de-structioning of space/time, just as the social
level is a construction of it. when we are born, we are almost pure
intellect. all we conceive of is unpatterned values of reality. everything
is new.
as we grow, we begin associating certain patterns of value with previously
experienced patterns and we "learn". we form static latches with social
level patterns of value very quickly, because we are constantly exposed to
them in each waking moment and perhaps even while asleep. babies are so
intent!
there comes a time when we have gained enough static latchings in the social
level to become "members" of society. in a fundamental sense, this means we
can differentiate between our "self" and other members and communicate at a
distance. this happens very early in life and is a very momentous occassion,
but no one remembers it as such simply because we have no other experience
at that time to associate it with.
now i am ready for your question Rick: how do patterns of value get to be
unpatterned values in the first place. boy, you dont mince words do you?
this is a toughie. kind of like asking just what the hell are we all doing
here in the first place? lets skip this one and go on to the next.
it is society that constructs patterns of value. patterns of value can also
be said to be associations. it is creative force of value at work within
static quality social patterns of values. it is dis-creative force of value
at work in the static quality intellect patterns of value. together the two
form the struction of subjective experience.
the intellect can perceive and alter patterns of value from the social layer
by destroying those patterns, in essence letting them flow back to the
source and spring forth anew thru the constructive social level patterns of
value in a regenerating fashion. the intellect doesnt create. it destroys.
look at our weapons of destruction. all have sprung from the intellect. that
is the intellectual force of value at work.
thanks for the compliment Rick, and i hope some of this is of value to you
and any others who are interested.
best wishes,
glove
>
>It's all good,
>Rick
>
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