Glove-
I was already to respond to this post when it occured to me some deeper and
more sustained thought was necessary here. I appreciate your taking the
time to answer so I want give this the attention it deserves. I'm now also
getting more interested to know how PoV's can get "unpatterned". Maybe
just through the "interference" of intellect? Hmmmm....
It's all so good,
Rick
At 10:54 AM 11/19/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Budd <rmb29@cornell.edu>
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 11:57 PM
>Subject: MD Unpatternings
>
>
>>Glove,
>>You wrote:
>>"the Saint is driven by the ability to transcend subjectively
>>objectifying the universe and move into a realm of perceiving
>un-patternings
>>of value by using the intellect."
>>
>>This is great stuff G. I've never quite heard it put like this before.
>>INTELLECT as an objective "tool" that lets you see "un-patternings of
>>value" (uPoV).
>
>Rick,
>
>actually the intellect is subjective, as are social level patterns of value.
>what i mean to say is the Saint has transcended seeing his/her "self" as
>separate from the universe of objects. the Saint has given up self in order
>to be driven Dynamically to destiny. Sainthood is not a conscious function!
>it has transcended consciousness.
>
>Rick writes:
>
>ask--How do
>>PoV's get to be uPoV's in the first place? Because of Society? Or is it
>>caused by the INTELLECT as well? And if so, does that mean that INTELLECT
>>is the ability to perceive PoV's and conceive of altering them? Please
>>expand if possible.
>
>Rick, please remember that i am flying by the seat of my pants here and this
>house of cards could come tumbling down at any instant. what i envision is
>similar to a wave of force moving thru static patterns of value. the wave
>starts at consciousness and moves out in omni-directional oscillating
>back-and-forth dance both thru time and space, as we conceive them.
>
>we experience reality by patterning patterning new experiences and by
>applying those patterns by association. this association is at first the
>intellect at work. the intellect is not bound by restrictions of space and
>time. the intellect is a de-structioning of space/time, just as the social
>level is a construction of it. when we are born, we are almost pure
>intellect. all we conceive of is unpatterned values of reality. everything
>is new.
>
>as we grow, we begin associating certain patterns of value with previously
>experienced patterns and we "learn". we form static latches with social
>level patterns of value very quickly, because we are constantly exposed to
>them in each waking moment and perhaps even while asleep. babies are so
>intent!
>
>there comes a time when we have gained enough static latchings in the social
>level to become "members" of society. in a fundamental sense, this means we
>can differentiate between our "self" and other members and communicate at a
>distance. this happens very early in life and is a very momentous occassion,
>but no one remembers it as such simply because we have no other experience
>at that time to associate it with.
>
>now i am ready for your question Rick: how do patterns of value get to be
>unpatterned values in the first place. boy, you dont mince words do you?
>this is a toughie. kind of like asking just what the hell are we all doing
>here in the first place? lets skip this one and go on to the next.
>
>it is society that constructs patterns of value. patterns of value can also
>be said to be associations. it is creative force of value at work within
>static quality social patterns of values. it is dis-creative force of value
>at work in the static quality intellect patterns of value. together the two
>form the struction of subjective experience.
>
>the intellect can perceive and alter patterns of value from the social layer
>by destroying those patterns, in essence letting them flow back to the
>source and spring forth anew thru the constructive social level patterns of
>value in a regenerating fashion. the intellect doesnt create. it destroys.
>look at our weapons of destruction. all have sprung from the intellect. that
>is the intellectual force of value at work.
>
>thanks for the compliment Rick, and i hope some of this is of value to you
>and any others who are interested.
>
>best wishes,
>
>glove
>
>
>
>
>>
>>It's all good,
>>Rick
>>
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