Fintan-
Just one question--- if we keep the new idea, we keep it because it's
Quality... and if we throw it out...
"if you throw me off the train....i'll KNOW MoM has Quality."--- so how do
we express a lack of Quality then?
As well, I think the comparison to Pirsig being "tossed out the fron door"
of university is bit presumptuous of the value of your contributions...
Pirsig was being tossed for changing and questioning everything... not just
making some minor (and debatable) alterations to someone else's work.
None-the-less
It's all good,
Rick
At 01:56 PM 11/19/98 PST, you wrote:
>FINTAN REMINDS ALL TO RECALL WHAT HAPPENED AT
>THE END OF THAT HILARIOUS DEVITO MOVIE ?
>
>"The night was...........humid ! "
>
>Poor ol' momma.
>We just loved to hate her.....
>But in the end we hadn't the heart to toss her off
>And through her all achieved reconcilliation
>For wasn't it she who came up with the ............Word.
>
>So if I AM to be tossed out of the university.......
>
>then like Robert Pirsig, I insist on being thrown out the
>FRONT door and down the steps.
>
>The fact that there is even talk like this tells me that i am EXTENDING
>the MOQ for we are repeating the events in ZAMM with this
>talk of expulsion.! !
>
>Wanna rename it the MOQ again.....whatever.....
>It's the underlying ideas therein that count......isn't it ? ?
>
>Just READ my latest post "Chris and the Death in Dallas"
>Then if you throw me off the train....i'll KNOW MoM has Quality.
>
>For, the funny thing about that movie is...
>Without pain-in-the-ass Mom there is NO movie......No catharsis......
>
>JONATHAN>
>> A good part of the raucousness is Fintan's MoM. Either Fintan is trying
>> to repackage MoQ as a marketing trick, or he is out writing a new
>> metaphysics, which is very degenerate of him. My interpretation of
>> Pirsig is that the words quality, value, MEANING, caring, good, (God),
>> purpose etc. etc. etc. are all basically the same thing.
>
>FINTAN:
>I'm calling it MoM because I was intrigued by Jonathan's statement
>way back in May when he joined the squad:
>
>JONATHAN on 17 May 98>
>> Hi Squad,
>> I'm a newcomer to the group...........
>> I just saw the following quotation in Horse's footer:-
>> > "Making history, it turned out, was quite easy.
>> > It was what got written down.
>> > It was as simple as that!"
>> The same goes for science!
>> Reality in science is established by collection of data.
>
>FINTAN:
>And reality in the Squad is determined by who you throw off.....
>
>JONATHAN AGAIN:
>> An event
>> which causes no change is ignored - never becomes data. This is Pirsig's
>> Dynamic Quality. The event has to MEAN something, to register. Later on,
>> secondary observers EVALUATE the data and summarise it in a way which
>> means something to them. Actually, I much prefer the term MEANING to
>> Pirsig's use of the word QUALITY.
>> "Does Lila have quality?"
>> The question should be "Does Lila have meaning?"
>> The answer is obvious. She means something to Phaedrus. She registers -
>> she causes him to change, to do things differently.
>
>FINTAN:
>MoM registers........It MUST get up your nose- by definition- to be
meaningful
>That way it generates all this furore.....
>That's why the postings are rocketing up
>We are ON TO IT, folks.
>Enjoy the Ride.
>Pirsig WILL be pleased !
>
>JONATHAN>
>> But I sense that what is really bothering Keith and others is the Crazy
>> Celt's ranting style - which makes us suspect his motives. Keith, you
>> and I are definitely left-brain types - with an anal fixation about
>> trying to neatly pigeonhole every thought and idea (FINTAN, how does an
>> anal fixation work when you use half-assed intellect?).
>
>> Now along comes Fintan who doesn't always play by our rules.
>> Several people (including Keith) have said they enjoy Fintan's passionate
>> writings - which has to mean that there is quality/meaning/value in
>> there somewhere.
>> I am flattered that he has hung so much on my contributions about
>> PATTERNS from last May.
>
>FINTAN:
>Actually Patterns was the first big breakthrough in the MOQ since Pirsig.
>.......and that was down to Jonathan- not me as i have already given credit.
>
>JONATHAN>
>> So back to Keith's suggestion to throw MoM from the train ...
>> I'm not sure that it is completely on the train in the first place.
>
>FINTAN:
>Poor ol' MoM.........
>She gets up everyones noses.....
>Owen even want's to kill her..........
>
>But....WITHOUT MOM THERE IS NO MOVIE ! ! ! !
>
>
>
>love y'all
>
>
>
>Fintan Mary Dunne
>findunne@iol.ie
>
>
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