Hi Rog, Magnus, Glove Ken, David, Walter and a cast of .... Lots!
On 25 Mar 99, at 21:34, RISKYBIZ9@aol.com wrote:
> [Roger wrote]
> > 2)The quality event is an experience event collapsing potential
> > preconceptual quality into definite conceptualized patterns.
>
> [Horse Replied]
> >>>>>>>
> So what is it that is experienced or experiences. I don't mean this in
> a Subject/Object way as I think we're using the terminology in a
> particular way which is so far undefined. Experience and
> conceptualization have different meanings, dependent on the context.
> In an inorganic context experience does not mean the same thing as
> experience in an intellectual context, although I think they are related
> by the overall context in which they occur.>>>>>>
[Roger]
> Hopefully this is resolved now? To avoid confusion, I will separate the
> conceptual part out so that I don't recreate this definite, conceptualized
> misunderstanding.
[Horse]
Fair enough. I think it's important that we see experience and
conceptualizing as different. The former can be applied to all levels
whilst the latter is (I'm pretty sure) an activity of Intellect. Apologies if
I seem to be nit-picking.
<SNIP>
[Horse]
> > <<<<<Static patterns of value. The QE and/or the
> > change/potential/becoming create static patterns of Value which form
> > relationships and interact, giving rise to further change ......>>>>>
[And Roger Asked]
> Do you agree with the suggestion that they are "experience patterns"?
[And Horse comes back with]
Yes. I think this is the essence of the DQ/SQ relationship in the form
of the QE. The Quality Event occurs when SPoV's interact or
experience other SPoV's. This creates new relationships between
SPoV's which are themselves SPoV's. What I'm trying to get at here
is the iterative/continuous nature of the QE/Experience/SPoV
relationship.
Referring to Magnus' quote:
> Experience is the stream of QE's producing static patterns,
> subjects and objects. It is pure quality.Experience is QEs which
> creates patterns...which by definition are patterns of experience.
Dump the subjects and objects - they're irrelevant and cause
confusion.
Patterns of Experience are both the 'cause' and the 'result' of
experience at the Quality event. The experiencing in the QE creates
new patterns of value/experience. This may answer the question of
how value creates reality. Valuing and experiencing are the same
thing in the context of the QE. Reality becomes the continuous
stream of Quality Events.
<SNIP>
> [Roger wrote]
> > 3)Static quality is patterned, conceptualized experience.>
>
> [Horse wrote]
> <<<<
> I think we need to be careful of the word "conceptualize" due to the
> intellectual connotations involved - though we can probably get away
> with "experience".
> Static patterns of value are experienced by other static patterns of
> value in one huge, seething network of Value/Quality. The base level
> is the Inorganic level. Inorganic PoV's interact, combine, experience
> in increasing complex ways. At some point the interactions and
> experience give rise to biological Patterns of Value, distinct but
> dependent on the lower level.>>>>
[Roger replied]
> I agree and accept your suggested improvement
[Horse]
I can feel a convergence coming on!!
On 25 Mar 99, at 20:09, RISKYBIZ9@aol.com wrote:
> What does everyone else think??? EVERYONE! Do we have
> MOQ consensus? Is this an explanation of the terms of the MOQ
> relative to each other?
> Is it time for the 98% solution?
Nah. A long way to go yet - about 95% more to go. I think it would be
a good idea to have a go at Magnus' latest which ties in with the
recent comment from Glove. Anyway I prefer the journey to the
destination - it's more fun.
> PSSS - Horse, when u finish "Fabric of Reality" check out Doug
> Renselle's summary of it on the Quantonics sight. BTW Do you
> ever still chat with Doug?
I haven't written to Doug for ages. I keep meaning to but never get
around to it. C'est la vie!
Horse
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