Mangus, Roger, Diana, Phred, and Y'all:
Diana's description of DQ at work in the creative arts was inspired.
Phred, the comic writer, made similar points in the other forum. Diana
says, "It's not me drawing the picture, the picture draws itself through
me". Phred says, "..I'll be thinking of some premise to do a joke
about, and then forget it." In both cases there is an idea of some
mysterious force at work in the creative act. This reality is depicted
in our myths too. Remember the story of the cobbler who woke each
morning to find that shoes had been mysteriously produced for him while
he slept. He'd wake each day to find his shop full of shoes to sell. As
the stroy goes, the cobbler was not content to accept this strange gift.
Curiosity got the best of him as he stayed up all night to discover who
was doing all that work for him. Once the discovery was made and he
comprehended what was happening, the mystery was gone and so were the
free shoes. The story is not only a symbolic representation of the force
at work when Diana is drawing and Phred is writing, but also shows how
this force can be disrupted by the intellect. As Diana says, "You have
to shut out...whatever you were thinking about before you got there".
Phred put it another way, saying "I believe the source...comes from this
pre-intellectual awareness- the mystic". Let the cobbler sleep!
Magnus and Roger both ask about the map and the road, so to speak. This
is an area of discussion that I hope we can focus on collectively. There
seems to be some pretty fundamental disagreements here and I think it
leads to many further differences of opinion. Roger says, "DQ is
undivided and preconceptual, while SQ is divided and conceptualized."
and in a similar spirit he says "DQ is the real terrain, and SQ is a
conceptualized map of reality." I think I understand what Roger is
saying here, but I think it is not correct. Instead of saying DQ is
undivided I'd say it is unpatterned Quality. DQ it is not only
pre-conceptual, it is beyond intellectual patterns of quality. It is
beyond concepts. DQ can not be defined or conceptualized. We can invent
analogies, like the phrase "dynamic Quality", but they only refer to the
mystery we call DQ. Static quality, on the other hand, is not just a
conceptualized map of reality - although conceptual maps of reality are
generally made of static intellectual patterns. Any kind of metaphysic
is going to be composed of ideas, but that is not the case with all
static patterns. The first three levels of static patterns can be mapped
by the intellect, but are not composed of intellectual patterns. Rocks
and trees and tribes exist regardless of our maps and ideas about them.
It's true that these prior levels are created through Quality Events and
are born by "experience", but that kind of experience is not to be
equated human experience. Sure, intellectual metaphysicians have
experiences, but so do rocks, trees and tribes. Static quality is not
limited to just intellectual patterns, there are inorg, org and social
patterns too. Every concieveable "thing" in the universe is made of
static quality. I am conviced that our disagreements stem from a
confusion of the cosmological and epistemological issues, stem from the
failure to distinguish between physics and perception.
David B.
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