From: Peterfabriani@aol.com
Date: Wed Nov 06 2002 - 14:59:00 GMT
Peter writes:
> If static patterning is extruded from the cutting edge of Dynamic Quality,
> then all static patterns are the result of moral choice. That says to me
that
> although DQ is no thing, every thing owes its being to DQ. Therefore, DQ is
in
> everything, which is close to a pantheistic belief that God is in
everything?
The pantheistic belief is not that God is in everything (that is
panENtheism). Pantheism posits that God is everything. This is the
distinction that I've been trying to make.
Peter: I did not know that. I go with Pantheism myself. (This is getting hard
to follow!)
Peter says : "...every thing owes its being to DQ. Therefore, DQ is in
everything..."
Steve says: Hmmmm...
I think you are making an unjustified leap, and I don't think that it's a
correct interpretation of the moq.
Quality is the One. The Everything. Un-definable and Indivisible, but
Pirsig decides to divide it anyway into static and dynamic. Under this
division every'thing' is a static pattern of quality and no'thing' has
Dynamic Quality in it. This is the either/or distinction that the moq
makes, for better or worse. Quality is a monism but as soon as we make the
static/dynamic cut we are talking about a dual reality where pantheism could
only include one part. Panentheism deals better with the dualism.
Peter: The Sistine chapel, which has been used as an example of art in this
forum before now, is the physical manifestation of Quality? It may be clumsy
to say the Sistine chapel is Quality, but i agree with you that DQ creates
the relationship between my patterns and the Sistine chapel. In that sense,
DQ is not in me or the chapel. So, i apologise, for i should have said,
"...every thing owes its being to DQ. Therefore, everything is in DQ..."
A pantheism idea of Quality would hold that only static patterns are all
there are, while panentheism leaves room for DQ.
Steve
Peter: DQ would appear to hold everything, therefore everything is in fact
quality, but a differentiated aspect of it, i.e. a static pattern. Therefore,
everything is in DQ, which is close to a pantheistic belief that everything
is in God?
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