From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Nov 07 2002 - 19:59:45 GMT
On Nov 06, 2002 11:16 PM Wim wim.nusselder @ antenna.nl wrote:
> Dear Magnus, Davor, Sam, Platt, Steve & others,
>
>snip>
> The levels represent different types of patterns of values. Static quality
> is the value of maintaining these patterns, it is the value of their
> stability. Dynamic Quality is the value of changing them (which is to be
> distinguished from their destruction/decay/degeneration), it is the value
of
> their versatility/adaptability. Some patterns of values change more easily
> (in the right direction) than others, BOTH because of a different balance
> between stability and versatility/adaptability (which is a measure of
> intra-level differences in Quality) AND because they are
maintained/latched
> in different ways (which determines their belonging to different
'levels').
> An inorganic pattern of values (experience of 'materialishness') is
> maintained/latched by unequal probability distributions in the quantum
> behavior of subatomic particles.
> A biological pattern of values (experience of 'life') is
maintained/latched
> by DNA stabilized by protein structures around it.
> A social pattern of values (experience of 'culture/tradition/habit') is
> maintained/latched by unconscious copying of behavior.
> An intellectual pattern of values (experience of 'truth/meaning/reality')
is
> maintained/latched by conscious motivation/justification of actions in a
way
> that is acceptable to others.
> So we can distinguish patterns of values by there location on a gliding
> scale of more/less stability/versatility AND we can do so by the way in
> which they are maintained/latched. BOTH these ways imply measuring
> 'receptiveness to change/DQ' in Davor's formulation (6/11 9:36 +0000).
Only
> the second way justifies stating that different types of patterns of
values
> are at different 'levels' of (receptiveness to change/)DQ. When
> distinguishing patterns of values in the first way, a particular inorganic
> pattern of values (e.g. the behavior of certain short-lived radioactive
> chemical elements) can be more instable than a particular intellectual
> pattern of values (e.g. religion). The same short-lived radioactive
chemical
> element that is less stable than religion is less receptive to change in
the
> second sense however: the speed in which that element sends out radiation
> and changes in other elements is a constant that presumably hasn't changed
> since the Big Bang, while religions -while staying recognizably
'religion'-
> are quite different nowadays from what they were thousands or even a mere
> 100 years ago.
>snip>
> 'The levels are a way of distinguishing the different types of patterns of
> values by the different amounts of Dynamic Quality inherent in the way in
> which they are maintained/latched'.
> Would you agree with that?
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Wim
>
Hi Wim, Davor, Sam, Platt, Steve & others,
Wim, I am impressed by your scholarship and memory! I feel a question when
you apply words like 'value of their versatility/adaptability,' 'different
amounts' to Dynamic Quality. Do you statically categorize DQ? Is it removed
from instinctive experience?
IMO I intinctively experience the value of the moral orders. If I describe
those experiences to another, I instinctively experience the social order,
though my description is a static effort.
> An intellectual pattern of values (experience of 'truth/meaning/reality')
is
> maintained/latched by conscious motivation/justification of actions in a
way
> that is acceptable to others.
Would you say that the metaphor "conscious motivation/justification of
actions in a way that is acceptable to others" has some of the meaning of
the metaphor "packaging?"
joe
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