Re: MD Contradiction?

From: Maggie Hettinger (hettingr@iglou.com)
Date: Sun Nov 24 2002 - 22:38:54 GMT

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    On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 02:43 PM, Valence wrote:

    > Hey all,
    > In various threads that are active right now, the following two quotes
    > from the LILA'S CHILD annotations have been thrown around quite a bit:
    >  
    > PIRSIG 1
    > For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say the intellectual level is the
    > same as mind. It is the collection and manipulation of symbols,
    > created in the brain, that stand for patterns of experience.
    >  
    > PIRSIG 2
    > In the MOQ all organisms are objective. The exist in the material
    > world. All societies are subjective. They exist in the mental world.
    > Again the distinction is very sharp.
    >  
    >  
    > RICK
    > Quote #1 clearly states that "the intellectual level is the same as
    > mind".  Yet, quote #2 states that "All societies... exist in the
    > mental world."  Unless there is some meaningful difference between
    > "mind" and "the mental world" then these two quotes taken together
    > would add up to saying that all societies exist in the intellectual
    > level.  Yet, that obviously can't be right given the very design of
    > the static levels. The most frustrating part of this is that in both
    > of the quotes Pirsig claims he is acting in the interest of precision
    > (a sharp distinction).
    >  
    > Anybody care to try and reconcile these quotes?
    >  

    hi, rick.

    key question, and good choice of quotations to show it.

    I think pirsig did know what he was talking about, and it's not a
    mistake.

    Human societies have been forever changed by intellect. Once the
    intellectual patterns came into static existence, they created new
    SOCIAL patterns, so many and so vast that we can barely find examples
    of the once-pristine, unmodified social patterns in human society.

    cheers,
    maggie

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