From: Glenn Bradford (gmbbradford@netscape.net)
Date: Tue Nov 26 2002 - 05:36:06 GMT
Erin:
"Do they have machines that can detect [lies] on their own?"
I don't know, but it's not relevant unless you interpret Pirsig's
"no instrument can detect" to mean that the instrument must spell
out what it detected on a ticker-tape or worse that the instrument
is aware of what it detected. This stretches the common expectations
of a machine or instrument, as does the expectation that it can
complete the detection without anybody looking at the measurements,
or looking at them but not making reasonable inferences from them.
As David said, we all add something when we read a measurement off
an instrument or a machine. All a machine might detect is a pounding
heart, and from this we infer that a candidate doesn't have the right
presidential stuff. When we read an outdoor thermometer, all we get
is an inorganic account of the temperature, and from this we infer how
hot or cold we'll feel when we step outside - a subjective biological
pattern. If we don't allow this human element, then we can all agree
that "no instrument can detect hot or cold", much less the President.
By the way, MDers, there seems to be many examples of subjective
biological patterns. Pirsig even mentions some, like the pain from
a hot stove and the high from orgasm. But according to Pirsig in LC,
the biological level is the province of the objective world. Apparently
this isn't completely right, either.
But let's see what we can deduce from Pirsig's statements:
1) biological patterns are objects outside our minds
2) the devil is a biological pattern
Conclusion: the devil is running around the earth, incarnate.
It's no wonder MOQ non-believers think the MOQ is spooky. It is.
Glenn
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