From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Dec 01 2002 - 03:00:03 GMT
Mari and all:
Mari said:
What is "good conversation" How does "value" shade and or color accepting
anothers point of view? Wouldn't a pure 4th level weed out everything but
the truth? If "truth" is subjective aren't we back to SOM? Is there anything
wrong with SOM or is it just that in some peoples mind it is limited
therefore it is useless? Does MoQ eliminate, invalidate, make obsolete SOM
or does it/ can it possibly include SOM.
DMB says:
A good conversation is one where everyone takes my opinions as God's own
truth. Just kidding. That would be dull. On the contrary, I think a good
conversation is one where two or more passionate people disagreee. It
certainly helps a great deal if the participants are informed on the topic
can express themselves well. I'd consider my conversations with Sam to be
pretty damn good. Naturally, I disagree with some folks to such an extent
that talking with them it isn't much fun, never bares any fruit and only
leads to contempt. Without naming any names, there are posters here who are
irrational to the point that I can't respect their views. On the question
SOM, I think the MOQ includes it. That is to say, the MOQ allows for
subjects and objects, for subjectivity and objectivity, but says they are
not the foundation of things.
Sam wrote to David:
It's amazing the lengths you're going to to try
and justify a rhetorical statement! Are you really arguing that Lila is not
a person?
Mari asks:? How is it that Sam doesn't know what David is saying or "try"ing
to "justify"?
DMB says:
You got me there. You'll have to ask Sam about that. But let me say that I
don't think Pirsig's statement, that "intellectually she's nowhere" is a
rhetorical statement at all, but Sam's question seems to be designed for
effect rather than a serious question. (That's the definition of rhetorical
- designed for effect.) Its easy to see that Sam is too smart to believe
that I or anyone else would try to argue that "Lila is not a person". This
is too silly to be anything other than a rhetorical question.
Mari said:
One more thing: Is anyone familar with the word GROK from Stranger in a
Strangland? By Robert Heinlein
DMB says:
I have a bumper sticker that says, "I grok spock". Just kidding. Its a great
book. One of the best sci-fi books ever, in my opinion. Too bad about
Heinlein's tendencty to fascism.
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