From: Erin N. (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Sat Dec 21 2002 - 00:16:17 GMT
>Are you saying that the thing way out there in the universe,
>supposedly affecting behavior, is somehow not in the causal chain?
>It's like the following hair-splitting argument:
>When the jet hit the North Tower, it affected the building but
>it didn't cause it to fall. It fell over 30 minutes later.
>Conclusion: the jet did not cause the tower to fall.
Glenn,
1. I told you twice I made a mistake to put astrology for
acausal.
2. a jet hitting the North tower causing it to fall is
not the same as the North tower falling for an unknown reason.
Yes you can assume there was causal agent that caused it or
else you can say you admit you don't know how it happened.
>Erin:"Acausal is the idea there is a relationship but you don't
>know how they are related."
>
>This doesn't make sense. If "you don't know how they are related"
>then how do you know "there is a relationship" in the first place?
>Psychic powers? Don't you mean "...how they *got* related"?
I actually thought about that when I said you had
a confirmation bias of assuming a causal relationship
in the light example. You can assume there is causal
relationship, an acausal relationship, or no relationship.
>Leaving out the word "cause" in your definition of acausal
>doesn't mean it isn't implied. To say "acausal is the idea
>that there is a relationship whose cause is unknown" is to say the
>same thing. To take Jung's example, you don't know how the scarab
>motifs (the related things) manage to show up together in quick
>succession (related in time), but implicitly you believe there are
>unknown causes for it out there in the universe.
yeah maybe you are right.. need to think about it.
maybe acausal is sort of a playtpi of cause n chance.
I will think about that one.
How about I read more Jung and then discuss this because
I don't feel like I know enough to know what he would argue.
I was wrong about the astrology stuff..so let's hold off for now.
Let me make it clear I am not backing off because i think you
are right I just want to read more Jung.
>And where's that webpage you promised me you'd try to find?
>Glenn
>
uhhhhhh yeeeaaahhhhh the web page
why do you need to see who wrote it before deciding whether you agree ;-)...I
should of forged a name like Stephen Gould or something
to get a less biased opinion of it :-P
kidding ya, i know you gave a vague opinion of it
erin
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