From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon Aug 09 2004 - 19:35:13 BST
Johnny,
You may have addressed this in the past, so apologies if so.
Would you consider the chicken as existing when it lays an egg (and no
human is looking) on the grounds that it is experiencing? Such experience
does not need to be subject/object -- or does it, that is, do you consider
experience to only be in subject/object form? (If so, what do you consider
mystical experience, claimed to not be in subject/object form?)
I suppose I should first ask if you see a difference between "exist" and
"exist materially", and if so, what would you consider non-material
existence.
Just want to clarify. I think I am in partial agreement with what you say,
but maybe not.
- Scott
> [Original Message]
> From: johnny moral <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Date: 8/9/2004 1:21:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spam] Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise
>
> "Once I believe it's water, I'm glad what goes down my throat isn't just a
> belief. Beliefs, expectations, observations, or words won't quench my
> thirst, or feed the starving masses."
>
> Faith in Jesus's fishes and loaves fed the starving masses. That sort of
> faith isn't something that happens everyday though, most people aren't
> beleved to be messiahs capable of miracles. Regarding your thirst, do
> patterns of value quench it? If so, what is it you believe a pattern of
> value to be? I didn't realize they were water-based.
>
> "Anyway, nobody believes chickens lay eggs only when someone is looking."
>
> That's the point. That's why they seem to have laid eggs when no one was
> looking. In fact (no, not in fact, but philosophically speaking), while
no
> one was looking, the chickens didn't even exist materially. To exist,
> something has to be experienced, the experience (quality) creates the
> observer and the observed. Their existence during the time between
> experiences is filled in by our beliefs, which are also dictated to us by
> quality and experience. The primary belief we have is SOM, that chickens
> really exist when we aren't looking.
>
> Johnny
>
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