From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 13 2004 - 19:08:37 BST
HI David,
>"I mean we believe the world continues to exist while we sleep. I don't
>know
>what we are thinking as we sleep, we just believe, while awake, that the
>world will continue to exist "out there", independently of our thinking of
>it, while we sleep. It is a high quality belief, perhaps the highest (and
>it is called SOM)."
>
>Well Johnny, maybe not, how about believing that the propensity
>of known patterns persist whilst I sleep, and yes they are there
>when I wake up, that is MOQ not SOM as we have replaced
>objects with SQ patterns, remember!
>
>David M
Yikes, I'm getting it from both sides here. I was responding to Platt who
was objecting to being needing a conscious, awake observer to be. He was
being myopic and argumentative in one direction, and now you are in the
other. You are of course correct that we believe that the patterns of
morality will continue as we sleep - in fact, that's why we aren't surprised
that some things have changed while we slept.
I don't think we should say we have "replaced" SOM with the MoQ, we have
just shown that SOM is not the final, true description of reality but rather
a high quality pattern within the the final true description of reality.
So, OK, maybe we have replaced it as the final true description, but we
haven't invalidated SOM or subjects and objects or said they are not real.
SOM is still essential to life and experience, if someone were to stop
believing in the real substance of food, and in their own real existence,
we'd lock them up before they starved to death or tried to jump off a
building.
Johnny
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