From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Aug 13 2004 - 21:04:02 BST
JohnnyI don't think we should say we have "replaced" SOM with the MoQ, we
have
just shown that SOM is not the final, true description of reality but rather
a high quality pattern within the the final true description of reality.
DM: I agree with this, but then you go on to throw
too much of a lifeline to SOM, I would say that SOM
has been great for a certain sort of science, technology,
control but is very poor for life and could be shrunk into
very specialist use. If you fancy reading my book/novel with
my own anti-SOM approach in it send me an email.
----- Original Message -----
From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Spam] Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise
> HI David,
>
> >"I mean we believe the world continues to exist while we sleep. I don't
> >know
> >what we are thinking as we sleep, we just believe, while awake, that the
> >world will continue to exist "out there", independently of our thinking
of
> >it, while we sleep. It is a high quality belief, perhaps the highest
(and
> >it is called SOM)."
> >
> >Well Johnny, maybe not, how about believing that the propensity
> >of known patterns persist whilst I sleep, and yes they are there
> >when I wake up, that is MOQ not SOM as we have replaced
> >objects with SQ patterns, remember!
> >
> >David M
>
> Yikes, I'm getting it from both sides here. I was responding to Platt
who
> was objecting to being needing a conscious, awake observer to be. He was
> being myopic and argumentative in one direction, and now you are in the
> other. You are of course correct that we believe that the patterns of
> morality will continue as we sleep - in fact, that's why we aren't
surprised
> that some things have changed while we slept.
>
> I don't think we should say we have "replaced" SOM with the MoQ, we have
> just shown that SOM is not the final, true description of reality but
rather
> a high quality pattern within the the final true description of reality.
> So, OK, maybe we have replaced it as the final true description, but we
> haven't invalidated SOM or subjects and objects or said they are not real.
> SOM is still essential to life and experience, if someone were to stop
> believing in the real substance of food, and in their own real existence,
> we'd lock them up before they starved to death or tried to jump off a
> building.
>
> Johnny
>
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