From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Mon Aug 23 2004 - 02:08:12 BST
Mark, Ian and all MOQers:
Mark said:
"logic might and sometimes does produce better results."
Ian replied:
I say therefore, not because of the logic, but in spite of the logic. Not
actually connected with the logic in any causal way.
dmb says:
Ian, you are using terms is very idiosyncratic ways and confusing categories
like retail politics and the philosophy of science. I mean, you're not
denying that logic is a good and useful thing in practical matters such as
the causes of war or bridge construction, are you? Check the thread name and
notice the topic, will you? We're talking about the relative merits of
various news organizations, where facts and logic, conventionally speaking,
mean everything. Get with the program, will ya pal?
Ian continued:
Doxastic. Just wishful thinking. A desire to believe in logic. A refusal to
believe real (human) world outcomes are emergent from much more mysterious
(complex that is, not mystic) relationships than classical "scientific"
logic. (And highly politically incorrect for me suggest logic is just
wishful thinking, or that science is just political correctness.) What I'm
amazed by, given that this is an MOQ discussion board that so many
people defend the SOM logic.
dmb replies:
Oh, now I see what you were trying to say last week. Again, you are using
terms in a very strange way. You're using 'political correctness' to mean
something like 'the dominant paradigm' or 'the scientific worldview". If
anyone other than you uses 'political correctness' in this way, I'm unaware
of it and such a definition does not even resemble the definition I know.
From wordiQ.com...
Political correctness
Political correctness is the alteration of language said to redress real or
alleged unjust discrimination or to avoid offense. The term most often
appears in the predicate adjective form politically correct, often
abbreviated PC, and is usually used mockingly or disparagingly. One purpose
behind politically correct language is to prevent the exclusion or the
offending of people based upon differences or handicaps. The idea behind
using politically correct terminology is to bring peoples' unconscious
biases into awareness, allowing them to make a more informed choice about
their language and making them aware of things different people might find
offensive. The new terms are often awkward, euphemistic substitutes for the
original stark language concerning differences such as race, gender, sexual
orientation and disability.
An example of substituting politically correct terminology for terminology
considered offensive would be exchanging the phrase disabled person for
cripple when describing a person with a physical or mental disability. Using
terms such as spaz or nutter to refer to the aforementioned groups would be
decidedly politically incorrect.
dmb continues:
See Your idea of political correctness is very far from the actual meaning
and it was central to the point you're making about logic. Now its perfectly
clear why your post made no sense. (One can only wonder what you mean by
words like 'logic' and 'science'!) I realize its quite a petty and
small-minded thing, but I do feel refreshed knowing the confusion was Ian's
fault. ;-)
Thanks,
dmb
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