From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Aug 23 2004 - 03:27:42 BST
Hi Ian,
Your posts are arriving out of sequence, so I responded to your
second point, first.
On 23 Aug 2004 at 0:32, Ian Glendinning wrote:
LILA on the other hand - (deep breath) - my view is that Lila was
forced on Pirsig, because of negative reaction from "serious" (ie
scientific, logical) philosphers dismissing ZMM. As a result, I
believe he compromised his own truth, in further developing MoQ to
appease accepted wisdom. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have been
understood, so fair do's.
msh says:
I don't think of it as compromising truth so much as "returning to
the market place." Because, as you say, if he hadn't he wouldn't
have been understood. We have to "drop down" to SOM in order to
communicate with the vast majority of people. If we didn't we, in
this group, would all be talking to just ourselves. There'd be lots
of agreement and no action.
ian:
(I used "SOM Logic" as shorthand for a great deal more complex than
that. Sorry. Nor do I advocate abandoning subjects and objects - they
are useful concepts, just like logic - just abandoning the idea that
either is somehow absolute or metphysical. Put simply - there's more
to life than subjects, objects, science and logic.)
msh:
Right. There's Quality.
And science and logic are not absolute. They are human conventions
that have resulted in vast improvements in the quality of our
existence. It's when we start downplaying or denying this that we
begin to lose the confidence and eventually the participation of some
pretty brainy people. This is what Pirsig understands, IMO.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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