From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 25 2004 - 22:18:43 BST
Part II.
Oh hell, my head is gonna blow up...
Mark 24-8-04: There are arguments which may be seen to make contextual sense.
We must remain with the texts. (And save our heads?!)
Vac> From The edge of chaos:
Vac> The sweet spot is postulated as a coherent state somewhere between these
two
Vac> extremes. [Chaos and stagnation] At the sweet spot of Dynamic Quality
(DQ), a
Vac> pattern is neither too static or unstable.
What do you mean when you say the [static] pattern may be TOO static or
unstable?
Mark 24-8-04: This is what i mean: "The formation of semi-permeable cell
walls to let food in and keep poisons out is a static latch. So are bones, shells,
hides, fur, burrows, clothes, houses, villages, castles, rituals, symbols,
laws and libraries. All of these prevent evolutionary degeneration."
The Crocodile is too static - it is a living dinosaur! Cancer is too Dynamic,
it is out of control with no preserving structure; it is chaotic cell
multiplication. Again, we are using Biological examples, but there are social and
intellectual analogues of the Crocodile and cancer. (You may like to explore your
own examples?)
TOO static or unstable FOR WHAT? It seems to me the notion
of "TOO" staticness or unstableness implies patterns can behave NOT
the only right way. - Could it really be so? Could the things really
go not the right way?
Mark 24-8-04: Lila P. 124:
"Static patterns are dead when they are exclusive, when they demand blind
obedience and suppress Dynamic change. But static patterns, nevertheless, provide
a necessary stabalizing force to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration.
Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which
we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our
world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other."
Mark 24-8-04: From a new advanced position, the threat of falling back to a
previously latched state is an evil. One may consider contemporary threats to
the intellectual advance of democracy for example? Those static social and
intellectual institutions which provide a patterned protective structure for the
intellectual pattern of democracy provide a necessary force for stability.
(P.S.: I mean, for things to go not the right way, there should exist
that "the only right way". And MOQ, as far as I know, doesn't
postulate it's existence.)
Mark 24-8-04: I agree. I feel it is an important principle, however, that we
consider the interplay between static protection and Dynamic freedom. This is
precisely what the term, 'sweet spot' aims to convey on common language, and
what the term coherence wishes to denote using MOQ concepts. The right way, the
sweet spot or coherence is an ephemeral relationship, but experience
indicates it is what we aim at.
Vac> Mark 22-8-04: I really do not believe you or i need another term Ilya,
Vac> "openness to DQ" may be rephrased, "patterned states open to DQ" because
patterns
Vac> are the only things in the MOQ other than DQ. I think that is just fine.
All
Vac> coherence does is take these, "patterned states open to DQ" and arranges
them in
Vac> a continuum from Stagnation (Hardly open to DQ at all) through Coherence
Vac> (Harmonious openness to DQ) to Chaos (disruptive openness to DQ).
I still cannot comprehend how you manage to unite concepts of
staticness/dynamicness ("openness to DQ") and coherence/incoherence
into one-dimensional picture.
Mark 24-8-04: When a Dynamic advance is in progress there is the possibility
of an accompanying static latch or a fall into chaos. If you imagine a series
of very rapid advance/latch/advance/latch... type moves, then the perfect
balance between these two is coherence.
A more static series may be: (Crocodile)
advance/latch/latch//latch/latch/advance/latch...
A more Dynamic series may be: (Human)
advance/advance/latch/advance/advance/latch...
A chaotic series may be: (Cancer/neurosis) oiwudfbfhpqdh3rhfiuhvp
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Part III follows.
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