From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 25 2004 - 22:18:38 BST
Part III
I see it as TWO-dimensional. The first
dimension is the relation of static pattern to DQ, the second - the
relation of static pattern to other static patterns.
With the latter dimention there seem to be no problem: we agreed that
the relationship between static patterns may well be described in
terms "coherence" - "incoherence".
Mark 24-8-04: The first dimension: This is an interesting way of looking at
it. However, you have introduced a reductionist approach here in that you feel
it is appropriate to identify basic patterns of sq. Perhaps you are applying
your scientific training here Ilya? ;)
There are problems with this project, and in a process ontology like that of
the MOQ, it may actually be more sensible to speak of relationships, i.e. The
latter dimension: coherence/incoherence.
Ilya:
With the former dimention I see big problems. I feel intuitively what
ought to be described but I cannot conceptualize it. The description of
static pattern as something separate and independent of DQ (it's
being "protected" or "open to DQ") seems absurd now.
Mark 24-8-04: This may be a result of the reductionist project? You may have
unintentionally wished to do this, and now you see the usual problems related
to it?
Trying to measure
"the intensity of experience", on the other hand, seems close to
trying to say something about DQ itself - and is wrong on THAT reason.
Mark 24-8-04: Rather than intensity, i prefer to view it in aesthetic terms:
Coherent relationships are more beautiful.
Maybe we should look closely not at patterns but AT THE PROCESS of emergence
and passing away of static patterns? We may say, for example, that in
some individuals the life span of static patterns is shorter then in
others, right? May be this way of desctiption IS a solution, Mark?
"The life span" approach...
Mark 24-8-04: This approach is closely related to coherence i feel, for
coherence varies and exceptional coherence is fleeting - the hole in one!
Vac> Mark 22-8-04: See? We are doing better than perhaps you thought?
...
Vac> I hope this helps, let us keep moving forward! ;)
Thank you for moral support, Mark! :)
Best regards,
Ilya
He who sees dependent co-origination sees this: The co-arising and the
destruction of suffering, and the path.
Nagarjuna. Mulamadhyanakakarilkas. Ch. XV. Verse 40. Trans. M. Siderist.
2003.
All the best,
Mark
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