From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Tue Aug 31 2004 - 16:13:13 BST
Ham
Ham said:
Man -- you and I individually, not as a group species -- is the primary
"dynamic agent" in the realization of Value through the exercise of
personal freedom.
Paul:
In the last post I picked up on the "personal freedom" aspect of this
but I think there is an important statement here which I didn't answer.
Such is the problem of discussing metaphysics!
The difference between what you are saying and the MOQ is really quite
subtle. You seem to be making an assumption that an individual "agent"
exists that makes these value judgements and is therefore logically not
the value judgements themselves.
The MOQ is saying that value assertions create the individual in that
they *are* the individual. So it isn't saying that individuals don't
exist and that there is just this big collective mass of static
patterns, which is the conclusion you are drawing.
To me, I think this argument parallels the Brahmanic-Buddhist quarrel
over the existence of atman. The Buddhist point of view, which the MOQ
adopts, is that nothing has independent self-existence. The Buddhist
description of an individual is a collection of processes or skandhas
(feeling, perception, thinking). Translated into the MOQ, this overall
process is evaluation, and this process creates patterns which occur
together and that these patterns may be understood as individuals. If
this process stops, so does the individual.
Regards
Paul
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