Re: MD MOQ and Logic/Science

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Sep 02 2004 - 18:51:32 BST

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    Scott

    how do you see memory being involved in this?

    DM
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    From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
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    > Mel,
    >
    > Interesting, but it doesn't address the issue which mainly concerns me,
    > which is that most of the operations you lay out here require something
    > unthinkable, namely the interplay between the eternal and the temporal.
    For
    > example, one needs to be eternal to actually use something that has been
    > stored, or to detect a difference between anything. Abstraction requires
    > eternity, as does reflection, and so forth.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    > > mel:
    > > Consider consciousness as at base awareness, "of-ness not here", as the
    > > sense
    > > of "here-ness" is pushed by new data, new pre-information.
    > > How is "here-ness" pushed by "of-ness not here"? By the discernable
    > > portion of the physical, initially photons, vibration, mass / energy,
    > change
    > > in a
    > > level or intensity in a matrix or variation.
    > >
    > > Felt by reactive portions of "here-ness", the qualities of push-ness
    are
    > > stored to the capacity of the system united in here-ness. To the
    particle
    > > the quality of push-ness is stored as reaction, direction, and velocity.
    > To
    > > the larger organization of particles, the push may alter topology, force
    > > rearrangement, break bonds or make bonds, enlarge or delete portions,
    > > as well. To systems of particles in dynamic balances, non-destructive
    > > push-ness may add or subtract from the dynamic balance of here-ness,
    > > and sacrificial or compensatory levels of balance arise.
    > >
    > > The tendency of physical organization of information (recognizable
    > > physical meaningful data) within systems of system in cascading
    > interactive
    > > dynamic balance may yield extreme complexity in storage of the qualities
    > > of push-ness. Crystalline structures within depositional processes in
    > > geological provinces, photosynthesis in green plants, blink of the eye
    > > against too much brightness.
    > >
    > > For 'biologicals'; tropisms, instincts, learning, are patterns of stored
    > > recognition of qualities of push, built up over time as alterations and
    > > processes. In the animal, the recognition of qualities of push
    accelerate
    > > to the point of recognition of patterns of qualities as information
    stored
    > > and recognized as senses. Specialized discernability and detectability
    > > tempered by experience (memory of qualities of push) allows effective
    > > use of data as information in rapidity of response.
    > >
    > > Greater complexity recognizes greater ability to store information.
    > >
    > > Organization of information is compounded by pattern and connection.
    > >
    > > Pattern and connection give rise to information about information,
    > > abstraction.
    > >
    > > Abstraction of abstraction allows reflection.
    > >
    > > Reflection models information and models the modeling of information and
    > > recognizes a system as a discernable, differentable, defensible
    structure.
    > >
    > > Accumulations of abstracted abstractions are mapped to symbols and each
    > > possible here-ness of sufficient complementary complexity interpret and
    > > exchange them.
    > >
    > > Cogito ergo sum follows as an acceptable conclusion of such a system,
    > which
    > > only works in the splendid isolation of a cathedral of the mind in
    > imaginary
    > > separation. A model of comparative movement called time arises.etc.
    > >
    > > When the doors and windows of the cathedral are thrown open and the
    > > uninterrupted "here-ness" shines warmly from within, the fact of the
    non-
    > > division, the dependent discernment of "here-ness" from "of-ness not
    > here",
    > > the unfiltered sense of push-ness gives rise to free action, flow of
    > > information
    > > unbent. Qualities of the static become the scaffold, the structure
    > > accreting around
    > > "here-ness", enabling greater ranges of the qualities of the dynamic to
    be
    > > perceived
    > > and used, as information or as action.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Amen.
    > >
    > > thanks--mel
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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