From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Thu Sep 02 2004 - 00:58:21 BST
Mel,
Interesting, but it doesn't address the issue which mainly concerns me,
which is that most of the operations you lay out here require something
unthinkable, namely the interplay between the eternal and the temporal. For
example, one needs to be eternal to actually use something that has been
stored, or to detect a difference between anything. Abstraction requires
eternity, as does reflection, and so forth.
- Scott
> mel:
> Consider consciousness as at base awareness, "of-ness not here", as the
> sense
> of "here-ness" is pushed by new data, new pre-information.
> How is "here-ness" pushed by "of-ness not here"? By the discernable
> portion of the physical, initially photons, vibration, mass / energy,
change
> in a
> level or intensity in a matrix or variation.
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> Felt by reactive portions of "here-ness", the qualities of push-ness are
> stored to the capacity of the system united in here-ness. To the particle
> the quality of push-ness is stored as reaction, direction, and velocity.
To
> the larger organization of particles, the push may alter topology, force
> rearrangement, break bonds or make bonds, enlarge or delete portions,
> as well. To systems of particles in dynamic balances, non-destructive
> push-ness may add or subtract from the dynamic balance of here-ness,
> and sacrificial or compensatory levels of balance arise.
>
> The tendency of physical organization of information (recognizable
> physical meaningful data) within systems of system in cascading
interactive
> dynamic balance may yield extreme complexity in storage of the qualities
> of push-ness. Crystalline structures within depositional processes in
> geological provinces, photosynthesis in green plants, blink of the eye
> against too much brightness.
>
> For 'biologicals'; tropisms, instincts, learning, are patterns of stored
> recognition of qualities of push, built up over time as alterations and
> processes. In the animal, the recognition of qualities of push accelerate
> to the point of recognition of patterns of qualities as information stored
> and recognized as senses. Specialized discernability and detectability
> tempered by experience (memory of qualities of push) allows effective
> use of data as information in rapidity of response.
>
> Greater complexity recognizes greater ability to store information.
>
> Organization of information is compounded by pattern and connection.
>
> Pattern and connection give rise to information about information,
> abstraction.
>
> Abstraction of abstraction allows reflection.
>
> Reflection models information and models the modeling of information and
> recognizes a system as a discernable, differentable, defensible structure.
>
> Accumulations of abstracted abstractions are mapped to symbols and each
> possible here-ness of sufficient complementary complexity interpret and
> exchange them.
>
> Cogito ergo sum follows as an acceptable conclusion of such a system,
which
> only works in the splendid isolation of a cathedral of the mind in
imaginary
> separation. A model of comparative movement called time arises.etc.
>
> When the doors and windows of the cathedral are thrown open and the
> uninterrupted "here-ness" shines warmly from within, the fact of the non-
> division, the dependent discernment of "here-ness" from "of-ness not
here",
> the unfiltered sense of push-ness gives rise to free action, flow of
> information
> unbent. Qualities of the static become the scaffold, the structure
> accreting around
> "here-ness", enabling greater ranges of the qualities of the dynamic to be
> perceived
> and used, as information or as action.
>
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> Amen.
>
> thanks--mel
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