From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 01:05:03 BST
David M,
> how do you see memory being involved in this?
My guess is that episodic memory (memory of specific events) is perception
of past, still existing events, though since it isn't sense perception, we
can tell the difference from present events. You mentioned a while back
Bergson's "Matter and Memory", and I've been meaning to take a look at it,
but haven't yet. I did read something that sounds like what I am getting at
in "Time and Free Will", where he speaks of duration as something
irreducible, but I don't remember the details.
- Scott
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> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
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>
> > Mel,
> >
> > Interesting, but it doesn't address the issue which mainly concerns me,
> > which is that most of the operations you lay out here require something
> > unthinkable, namely the interplay between the eternal and the temporal.
> For
> > example, one needs to be eternal to actually use something that has been
> > stored, or to detect a difference between anything. Abstraction requires
> > eternity, as does reflection, and so forth.
> >
> > - Scott
> >
> > > mel:
> > > Consider consciousness as at base awareness, "of-ness not here", as
the
> > > sense
> > > of "here-ness" is pushed by new data, new pre-information.
> > > How is "here-ness" pushed by "of-ness not here"? By the discernable
> > > portion of the physical, initially photons, vibration, mass / energy,
> > change
> > > in a
> > > level or intensity in a matrix or variation.
> > >
> > > Felt by reactive portions of "here-ness", the qualities of push-ness
> are
> > > stored to the capacity of the system united in here-ness. To the
> particle
> > > the quality of push-ness is stored as reaction, direction, and
velocity.
> > To
> > > the larger organization of particles, the push may alter topology,
force
> > > rearrangement, break bonds or make bonds, enlarge or delete portions,
> > > as well. To systems of particles in dynamic balances, non-destructive
> > > push-ness may add or subtract from the dynamic balance of here-ness,
> > > and sacrificial or compensatory levels of balance arise.
> > >
> > > The tendency of physical organization of information (recognizable
> > > physical meaningful data) within systems of system in cascading
> > interactive
> > > dynamic balance may yield extreme complexity in storage of the
qualities
> > > of push-ness. Crystalline structures within depositional processes in
> > > geological provinces, photosynthesis in green plants, blink of the eye
> > > against too much brightness.
> > >
> > > For 'biologicals'; tropisms, instincts, learning, are patterns of
stored
> > > recognition of qualities of push, built up over time as alterations
and
> > > processes. In the animal, the recognition of qualities of push
> accelerate
> > > to the point of recognition of patterns of qualities as information
> stored
> > > and recognized as senses. Specialized discernability and
detectability
> > > tempered by experience (memory of qualities of push) allows effective
> > > use of data as information in rapidity of response.
> > >
> > > Greater complexity recognizes greater ability to store information.
> > >
> > > Organization of information is compounded by pattern and connection.
> > >
> > > Pattern and connection give rise to information about information,
> > > abstraction.
> > >
> > > Abstraction of abstraction allows reflection.
> > >
> > > Reflection models information and models the modeling of information
and
> > > recognizes a system as a discernable, differentable, defensible
> structure.
> > >
> > > Accumulations of abstracted abstractions are mapped to symbols and
each
> > > possible here-ness of sufficient complementary complexity interpret
and
> > > exchange them.
> > >
> > > Cogito ergo sum follows as an acceptable conclusion of such a system,
> > which
> > > only works in the splendid isolation of a cathedral of the mind in
> > imaginary
> > > separation. A model of comparative movement called time arises.etc.
> > >
> > > When the doors and windows of the cathedral are thrown open and the
> > > uninterrupted "here-ness" shines warmly from within, the fact of the
> non-
> > > division, the dependent discernment of "here-ness" from "of-ness not
> > here",
> > > the unfiltered sense of push-ness gives rise to free action, flow of
> > > information
> > > unbent. Qualities of the static become the scaffold, the structure
> > > accreting around
> > > "here-ness", enabling greater ranges of the qualities of the dynamic
to
> be
> > > perceived
> > > and used, as information or as action.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Amen.
> > >
> > > thanks--mel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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