From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed Sep 08 2004 - 18:51:20 BST
On 7 September 2004 Scott writes to all:
All,
Here's some reasoning, a kind of summary of some things I've been saying lately, and I'm curious about what you all make of it.
1. Are static patterns of value universals or particulars? Answer: They must be universals, as implied by the word "pattern". A particular, once it exists, cannot be changed. Only the rules for producing particulars can be changed, and so it is only as universals that there is value for the present and future (the particular does serve to exemplify the universal, however) .
2. DQ works with existing SQ to produce new SQ. (MOQ thesis).
3. The word for working with universals to produce new universals is intellect, as it is a matter of evaluating existing universals (concepts, rules) by imagining the consequences of choosing among possibilities, and making the choice.
4. Therefore, DQ is intellect-in-use, and all SQ are static intellectual patterns of value (which may be subdivided into inorganic, biological, social, and purely intellectual (mathematics, for example) static intellectual patterns of value. This does not imply that my thought of, say, plant growth is plant growth. It does suggest that my thought of plant growth is a pale reflection of the thought that grows plants).
5. Therefore, Quality is Intellect (while not ceasing to be Quality).
Hi Scott and all:
joe: i agree with all evolution. I don't agree in awareness. The physics of metaphysics is obscure and I do not know if I agree with 3, 4.
My point of doubt! IMO the mystical is a bridge between physical and metaphysical. Working with universals is awareness, a product of evolution which involves evolution as motivation (morality). I accept intellect (unfinished s/o), existence, purpose, gravity.
Universals are held in memory. For an indexing system to be moral, universals in memory have unfinished s/o as patterns, existence as patterns, purpose as patterns, gravity as patterns. 3 and 4 would not be necessary conclusions as DQ might also be social-in-use (existence) or organic-in-use (purpose) or inorganic-in-use (gravity). IMO to ascribe a pattern to DQ without identifying the mystical connection is somewhat defining DQ in a degenerate-mystical way.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Roberts
To: moq_discuss
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: MD A bit of reasoning
All,
Here's some reasoning, a kind of summary of some things I've been saying lately, and I'm curious about what you all make of it.
1. Are static patterns of value universals or particulars? Answer: They must be universals, as implied by the word "pattern". A particular, once it exists, cannot be changed. Only the rules for producing particulars can be changed, and so it is only as universals that there is value for the present and future (the particular does serve to exemplify the universal, however) .
2. DQ works with existing SQ to produce new SQ. (MOQ thesis).
3. The word for working with universals to produce new universals is intellect, as it is a matter of evaluating existing universals (concepts, rules) by imagining the consequences of choosing among possibilities, and making the choice.
4. Therefore, DQ is intellect-in-use, and all SQ are static intellectual patterns of value (which may be subdivided into inorganic, biological, social, and purely intellectual (mathematics, for example) static intellectual patterns of value. This does not imply that my thought of, say, plant growth is plant growth. It does suggest that my thought of plant growth is a pale reflection of the thought that grows plants).
5. Therefore, Quality is Intellect (while not ceasing to be Quality).
- Scott
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