From: Richard Loggins (brloggins@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Sep 18 2004 - 15:05:58 BST
Hi David M,
According to Read, Do sympathic causals happen even
without human minds, or is it intrnsic to reality
apart from human memory? I started to read that link
you provided that has the first few chapters of his
book. Very inspiring stuff, this, but a little hard
going at times. I think I see some connection to the
MOQ, but could you spell that out as you see it?
Thanks!!
Rich
--- David Morey <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> In a book about the approach to
> philosophy and science of the British philosopher
> and mathematics lecturer Geoffrey Read called
> The Coherent Universe, the relationship between
> patterns and causality are discussed in an
> interesting
> way that I suggest closely relate to and expand upon
> those of Pirsig. Read suggests two ways in which
> patterns
> are causally related. Firstly patterns interact with
> each
> other due to spacial proximity. This he calls
> proximate
> causality and is the sort of external, 3d time-space
> causality that we are all familiar with. Patterns
> are clearly
> organised into numerous local associations, each
> pattern
> represents a local organisation that at a certain
> level
> has split itself off from all other patterns so as
> to maintain
> its own internal integrity. When these localised
> expressions
> of what are clearly universal patterns interact with
> each other
> they may conflict or be brought under the coherent
> influence
> of a less localised pattern. But it seems obvious to
> Read that
> there is a form of non-spacial causality that
> influences all
> current patterns. This causality occurs between
> patterns that are
> not spacially related but related in terms of
> similarity of pattern.
> This he calls sympathic causality, where similar
> patterns in the past
> influence and bring about the internal
> organisational capacity
> of current patterns. It is the interaction of
> proximate and sympathic
> causality that brings about the complex properties
> of all
> experience. Human experience is made possible by
> both
> the dynamic influence of an ever changing
> arrangement of patterns in the
> space-time framework, plus the ever present
> influence of
> all past patterns. Clearly experience is only
> possible via the
> interaction of these two aspects of SQ. We have
> complex experience
> because we are able to re-cognise patterns in the
> so-called external world
> because we have the pattern already loggged in the
> sympathic internal
> world. This distinction with respect to 2 different
> ways SQ patterns
> interact accounts for why we have both an internal
> and external world
> within the larger whole of all experience. It is
> this interaction between
> present and past patterns that account for the
> duration essential to
> understand both intelligrnce & experience, as Scott
> has pointed out.
> Once again I recommend reading The Coherent Universe
> available
> at amazon.co.uk i.e. UK only.
>
> regards
> David Morey
>
>
>
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