Re: MD A bit of reasoning

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Sat Sep 18 2004 - 14:50:20 BST

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    David M,

    > Scott: > Yes, all assumptive structures are limited. What I disagree with
    is
    > the
    > > idea that there is some really true universe existing out there that is
    > not
    > > an assumptive structure. To speak mythically, I would say that God
    assumes
    > > some structure, and that is how universes come into existence. In other
    > > words, language writ large isn't about describing some non-linguistic
    > > reality (as SOM would have it). Instead, all realities are different
    ways
    > > for Intellect to express itself.
    >
    > DM: in the beginning: word or deed? Got to be
    > something that is all these things: pattern, event, awareness,
    > love, value....

    On the God-level (I am assuming) word is deed, deed is word, thinking,
    willing, feeling, perceiving are all the same acts.

    >
    >
    > >
    > > This is nominalism, which I reject. Where did the ability to abstract
    come
    > > from? It is irreducible, and presupposes universals. So language is
    > > aboriginal.
    >
    > DM: yes, in terms of pattern & repeat & copy & template
    > not in terms of spoken noises and black ink on paper

    Yes in terms of Peirce's thirdness. Call it semiotic if you want to
    restrict language to spoken noises and ink on paper.

    > > Whom does it teach? I will grant that there exists consciousness that
    does
    > > not concern itself with me/not-me. Adult human consciousness, however,
    > > does, and if it didn't there would be no intellect, no ability to
    reflect
    > > on SQ. So I see adult human existence as, in some very moderate degree
    > > fulfilling intellect, that our intellects are repeating on a very small
    > > scale the Intellect that makes realities.
    >
    > DM: Yes but also no, what about MOQ I think you need to grasp
    > how we can split patterns up that are or 'are not' projected externally.
    > There is internal SQ that is also problematically me/not me.

    I don't follow. Yes, we have projectable patterns and non-projectable (and
    projectable but not projected), but I don't see the relevance to my claim,
    that all is semiotic.

    > > > Why is being aware of what I just thought different from being aware
    of
    > > the
    > > > tree in front of me?
    >
    > DM: olny the tree is being projected into 3d external space time of
    > our own (species) making

    That just describes the difference. The mind/matter question is: are there
    two realms of awareness (dualism) or one (monism), and if the latter, why
    does it seem to be two (or, why isn't monism obvious).

    - Scott

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