From: Richard Loggins (brloggins@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Sep 19 2004 - 03:09:22 BST
Thanks, DM, I guess this research throws a long
overdue respectable light on things like deja vu and
ghosts for which SOM can not deal.
Rich
--- David Morey <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Rich
>
> Yes, sympathic causes explain the recurrence of
> all SQ patterns. Read is like Sheldrake without the
> fields
> and pushing out the logic of the presence of all
> past patterns influencing the present. He also used
> his 2 forms
> of causality to explain how experience is possible
> and
> the basic structure of the whole phenomenal realm.
> Read's discussions of experience, causality, values
> are
> interestingly similar to Pirsig. I will post some
> quotes later.
> He certainly looks on SOM as causing an obstacle
> to human knowledge.
>
> DM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Loggins" <brloggins@yahoo.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: MD Pirsig and Geoffrey Read's The
> Coherent Universe
>
>
> > Hi David M,
> > According to Read, Do sympathic causals happen
> even
> > without human minds, or is it intrnsic to reality
> > apart from human memory? I started to read that
> link
> > you provided that has the first few chapters of
> his
> > book. Very inspiring stuff, this, but a little
> hard
> > going at times. I think I see some connection to
> the
> > MOQ, but could you spell that out as you see it?
> > Thanks!!
> > Rich
> >
> > --- David Morey <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > In a book about the approach to
> > > philosophy and science of the British
> philosopher
> > > and mathematics lecturer Geoffrey Read called
> > > The Coherent Universe, the relationship between
> > > patterns and causality are discussed in an
> > > interesting
> > > way that I suggest closely relate to and expand
> upon
> > > those of Pirsig. Read suggests two ways in which
> > > patterns
> > > are causally related. Firstly patterns interact
> with
> > > each
> > > other due to spacial proximity. This he calls
> > > proximate
> > > causality and is the sort of external, 3d
> time-space
> > > causality that we are all familiar with.
> Patterns
> > > are clearly
> > > organised into numerous local associations, each
> > > pattern
> > > represents a local organisation that at a
> certain
> > > level
> > > has split itself off from all other patterns so
> as
> > > to maintain
> > > its own internal integrity. When these localised
> > > expressions
> > > of what are clearly universal patterns interact
> with
> > > each other
> > > they may conflict or be brought under the
> coherent
> > > influence
> > > of a less localised pattern. But it seems
> obvious to
> > > Read that
> > > there is a form of non-spacial causality that
> > > influences all
> > > current patterns. This causality occurs between
> > > patterns that are
> > > not spacially related but related in terms of
> > > similarity of pattern.
> > > This he calls sympathic causality, where similar
> > > patterns in the past
> > > influence and bring about the internal
> > > organisational capacity
> > > of current patterns. It is the interaction of
> > > proximate and sympathic
> > > causality that brings about the complex
> properties
> > > of all
> > > experience. Human experience is made possible by
> > > both
> > > the dynamic influence of an ever changing
> > > arrangement of patterns in the
> > > space-time framework, plus the ever present
> > > influence of
> > > all past patterns. Clearly experience is only
> > > possible via the
> > > interaction of these two aspects of SQ. We have
> > > complex experience
> > > because we are able to re-cognise patterns in
> the
> > > so-called external world
> > > because we have the pattern already loggged in
> the
> > > sympathic internal
> > > world. This distinction with respect to 2
> different
> > > ways SQ patterns
> > > interact accounts for why we have both an
> internal
> > > and external world
> > > within the larger whole of all experience. It is
> > > this interaction between
> > > present and past patterns that account for the
> > > duration essential to
> > > understand both intelligrnce & experience, as
> Scott
> > > has pointed out.
> > > Once again I recommend reading The Coherent
> Universe
> > > available
> > > at amazon.co.uk i.e. UK only.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > David Morey
> > >
> > >
> > >
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