Re: MD self-knowledge

From: Charles Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Tue Sep 28 2004 - 15:33:13 BST

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    Right on, Charles.

    On Sep 27, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Charles Vanderford wrote:

    > Marsha wrote..
    >  
    > Re: My question: How does MOQ relate to
    > Re: self-knowledge? Quality? SQvsDQ? Intellectual Level? Living a life
    > of
    > Re: value?
    >
    > Hi again Marsha.. I like that question.  It's a pretty good one and I
    > hope some people talk about it.  I notice that you ask simpler and
    > more direct questions and because of this, I've started reading all
    > your posts.  You're asking a lot of the same things I want to know,
    > too, but don't think I'll find an answer to here. 
    >
    > I dunno if anyone feels the same, but I have a much greater affinity
    > for ZMM than Lila.  To me, the difference between those books are the
    > same as the differences between what you talk about and what most
    > others here talk about.  It's almost as though you really want to ask
    > a genuine question that has to do with your life, your personal
    > understanding of Pirsig's ZMM Quality, "excellence," "worth," and
    > "goodness" - but it gets so chopped up this forum that by the last
    > post you don't recognize your question anymore in it, anywhere.  I'm
    > certainly not an anti-intellectual, but I feel that the range of this
    > forum does not extend much past that realm at all. 
    >
    > I wish there were some way all our lives were recorded somehow and
    > there was some way we could all just shut up and see each other
    > without pretense, without words.  This Quality of Pirsig's, which I
    > know is as real as the air I breathe, is present in our relationships
    > to the things around us.  Quality is an intangible, yet ever-present,
    > all-pervading 'force' that is always subtly showing us the way by our
    > peace of mind.  
    >
    > I have a question too.. in ZMM, Pirsig's Quality is "excellence,"
    > "worth," and "goodness," to use his exact words.  But in Lila,
    > Pirsig's greatest good is freedom, pure dynamic Quality.  Freedom is
    > good, yes, but does anyone feel that DQ and ZMM Quality don't exactly
    > match up?
    >
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