From: Nick Clair (nclair@webxsol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 03 2004 - 04:38:58 BST
To exist you merely have to think and experience everything. I am my
thoughts and actions. So if I have no thoughts or actions then I have no
me, if I'm not me what am I?
Maybe I'm the great nothing and everything. I am enlightened? Do I
become the interconnected whatever you want to call it (I will refer to
it as "Steve" from here on)? Do I become Steve or does Steve stop being
me?
Steve is the beginning and then Steve is divided with imaginary lines to
create you and I and all the stuff we see as the universe; people,
places, things, ideas, and everything else. When you stop thinking
completely, you forget to remember those imaginary lines and you
remember your Steve. Am I far off?
I would have to forget my experience completely, because my experience
is what makes up these dividing lines. The only way to do that is to
stop being me and start being Steve. The finger that wants to realize
that it's the body needs to stop being the finger and start being the
body. But how can the finger do that? It is always just going to be the
finger trying to forget that it's a finger and trying to realize the
body. When you try to achieve the forgetting of yourself youll just be
trying to forget yourself.
But what am I? What is a finger? Where do I start and everything else
begins. Where does everything else end and me begin? Even physically
where do I end? My decayed cells? Your brainwaves supposedly travel a
few feet away from your head? Are those few feet part of me?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] On Behalf Of Chuck Roghair
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:20 PM
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: RE: MD Where am I?
Nick said:
If I chose not to think or say anything for a moment then does that mean
I chose not to be during that moment. Or does the practice or chose by
itself force me to exist
Chuck replies:
Have you the ability to truly not think anything for a moment? How long
a
moment? How about 10 seconds? If you do, you are Buddha and I need to
seek
you out and follow you around.
In all seriousness, try it. Truly clearing your mind and thinking of
nothing for more than the most fleeting of moments isn't easy.
Again, that's the point of meditation. Once you achieve that
"nothingness,"
"no-set", Mu, then you're on your way to lounging in the shade of the
Bodhi
Tree where you realize lines are illusions thus ego is an illusion and
so is
"me."
Best regards,
Chuck
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