From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Oct 12 2004 - 18:03:12 BST
Hi MSH
Seems clear to me that if some aspects of experience
are not suitable for scientific explanation this is very interesting
it is also exactly what Pirsig says of DQ. Also without DQ we cannot explain
how SQ has evolved.
DM
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From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: MD On Faith
> On 11 Oct 2004 at 18:02, Platt Holden wrote:
> As Scott as pointed out several times, orthodox theology has evolved
> over the years in light of new knowledge. But, it's faith in a
> spiritual presence hasn't changed from the beginning. Similarly,
> science has evolved in the light of new knowledge. But it's faith in
> naturalism hasn't changed from the beginning. It will not allow an
> unmeasurable creative power, like DQ, into it's explanations.
>
> msh says:
> Science can't make room for anything unmeasurable or otherwise
> physically undetectable; if it did it wouldn't be science. It's
> simply wrong to say that science denies God; Science has nothing to
> say about God except, insofar as the concept has any meaning at all,
> there is no scientific basis for believing in a supreme being of any
> kind. This doesn't mean that one, or more, doesn't exist.
>
> As long as religion insists that God is unmeasurable, the two realms
> of thought will be concerned with mutually exclusive domains. The
> only time religion and science come into conflict is when religious
> people seek for their beliefs the imprimatur of science (or math or
> logic). The interesting social and psychological question, at that
> point, is why they desire this stamp of approval.
>
> Best,
> msh
>
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