Re: MD Absolutely objective

From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Sat Jan 18 2003 - 23:52:41 GMT

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    Jonathan,

    Having not been here as long as others, I'm glad you said it again.

    The only thing I would revise is the use of "solidarity truth," which Platt
    coined. As a slogan for the Rortyan, pragmatist position I think it is a
    little misleading. As I said to Platt, it makes it seem as though it is
    complementary to "objective truth," which is the case for the pragmatist.
    Her point is that all that objectivity seems to cash out to is the
    agreement of people in the speech community. The peer review process in
    academia is a great example of this, too. In all, the description you gave
    seems to be fully commensurate with the Kuhnian description of the process
    of "normal science" and "revolutionary science."

    You might enjoy these articles by Richard Rorty on this subject, Jonathan:

    "Solidarity or Objectivity": This article is a wide glance at the two
    positions: "Those who wish to ground solidarity in objectivity -- call them
    'realists'" and "those who wish to reduce objectivity to solidarity -- call
    them 'pragmatists'". As he says at the end of the essay, "The rhetoric of
    scientific objectivity, pressed too hard and taken too seriously, has led
    us to people like B. F. Skinner on the one hand and people like Althusser
    on the other -- two equally pointless fantasies, both produced by the
    attempt to be 'scientific' about our moral and political lives. Reaction
    against scientism led to attacks on natural science as a sort of false god.
     But there is nothing wrong with science, there is only something wrong
    with the attempt to divinize it, the attempt characteristic of realistic
    philosophy."

    "Science as Solidarity": In this essay, Rorty attempts to unbind and
    understand why, "In our culture, the notions of 'science,' 'rationality,"
    'objectivity,' and 'truth,' are bound up with one another." Rorty offers
    some alternate conceptions of how rationality and science might be thought
    of and draws on, and covers some of the reception of, Kuhn's work in the
    philosophy of science.

    "Is Natural Science a Natural Kind?": Here Rorty draws out more fully the
    implications of Hempel's and Quine's questioning of basic logical
    empiricist premises by following the "fracas over Kuhn's and Feyerabend's
    claim that some scientific theories were incommensurate with predecessor
    theories." He paints the pragmatist picture by defending it against the
    realist, Kuhnian relativist, and the Kuhnian instrumentalist. Rorty ends
    the essay by pointing out "that natural scientists have frequently been
    conspicuous exemplars of certain moral virtues" and "scientists are
    deservedly famous for sticking to persuasion rather than force, for
    (relative) incorruptability, for patience and reasonableness," but we
    shouldn't "think that the prevalence of such virtues amoung scientists has
    something to do with the nature or their subject or of their procedures."
    "On a pragmatist view, rationality is not the exercise of a faculty called
    "reason" -- a faculty which stands in some determinate relation to reality.
     Nor is the use of a method. It is simply a matter of being open and
    curious, and of replying on persuasion rather than force."

    All three of these essays can be found in Objectivity, Relativism, and Truth.

    Matt

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