From: john williams (ducati900@bigpond.com)
Date: Sun Jan 19 2003 - 00:24:14 GMT
Kevin says:
I believe very strongly in the principles of cooperation for achieving
> much good. That, however, relies on individuals who have an eye for
> Goodness. Individuals should push society towards Betterment. To reverse
> those roles creates enormous opportunities for tyranny.
What are we afraid of with making the jump from private to public, going down in history as some sort of MoQ gang of five. Politians and despots don't need our ideas to be tyrannical, they'll find something else, They've always got religion. Yes it is a great tool for personal growth, I just see it as being capable of more than that though I'm not sure on how to go about it yet. I guess to move it into the public sphere you have to take the 'Mo' out of MoQ.
>
Mari says:
i think the so called "public/private split" as it pertains to using MoQ as
a tool for changing laws and systems which effect society's problems is not
exactly the same thing that Huxley was talking about when he used
"public/private" to explain the difference between "knowledge" and
"understanding"; although i'm sure we can hammer it enough to make_it_fit.
Yes Mari to compere it with the the church/state type of seperation is stringing a long bow.
We are DQ personified. That is why we were attracted to this work. Some are more dynamic than others. While I agree with Matt the people who are struggling to survive couldn't give a toss about DQ and SQ, that's not the point, they aren't the ones who can make the changes anyway, unless there's a violent revolution and they wouldn't pick this way if there was.
Dynamic people, people with DQ, are the ones who can make a difference. People who have an innate ability to recognize DQ, even if they don't know what it is, are the people who should be able to reach the struggling masses. Now that I understand DQ I can see it everywhere, and I can see the Brujos as well, the people who are pushing the DQ into the SQ of the society. These aren't just the medical scientist and activists, but also at the mundane level these are the people who stand up to the boss in the work place, the whistle blowers, the ones who speak out at the planning meetings of the local council.
Because of the structure of the society we live in we have people living at different levels, wealth distribution is one of the big problems of Western societies, the haves and the have nots so to speak. Classes exist, even if we deny that we have them, we do. Upper, Middle and Lower classes. In these classes we also have the three levels of Intellectual, Social and Biological. People whose behaviour could be classed into those levels, for example: Phaedrus- Intellectual, Rigel- Social, Lila- biological.
The Dynamic Quality people in each class should be able to connect with each other.
The metaphor I thought of while climbing The Rock this morning was of people escaping from a sinking ship. In the life raft you already have the social and biological elites, but the people with innate DQ will turn around and offer a hand to those still on the sinking ship, now the first people to be helped will most likely run to the front of the life raft and catch there breath and thank god they've been saved. but still on the boat are the DQ people from the middle and Lower class, encouraging those who have lost hope to give it one last effort, to reach out to the offered hand.
Any opinions would be appreciated.
John from The Rock
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