From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Oct 23 2004 - 02:17:27 BST
Scott Roberts said:
They (liberal Protestant theologies) have become epistemological
pluralists, like Pirsig. So why do you think there is still conflict?
...that claim (that the world is created by an overseeing power) is taken
on faith. Such an idea is not provable (or disprovable) by science. The two
venues are acknowledged by them to be separate. It seems to be you that
wishes to claim a totalizing epistemology. ...contemporary
(non-fundamentalist, more or less liberal) religion has no desire to
"pervert science". It doesn't claim any authority over the areas in which
science has authority.
dmb says:
Scott, I really don't think epistemological pluralism can be equated to the
kind of "separate venues" appraoch you've described here. Your approach is
the problem that needs to be solved, not the solution. The problem is having
to accept "X" on faith. Epistemolgical pluralism does not insist that
spiritual matters be subjected to the procedures used in physics, but the
demand that we base our beleifs on experience and evidence in never
suspended. It does NOT allow us to accept beliefs for which there is not
evidence, it only expands the idea of what counts as evidence. This is how
Pirsig can accept the empircal validity of religious, mystical experience
but still reject faith so emphatically and explicitly.
Why should science and religion be walled off from each other when there is
only one world?
That's the problem.
That's the conflict.
These two domains should in fact be complimenting and supporting each other
in a unified vision of reality. Instead, they depict starkly different
worlds, which tends to make people a little bonkers, a little fractured.
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