From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Oct 30 2004 - 23:44:52 BST
Sam, Scott, and all:
dmb asked the theists to make a case:
I'll ask you the same thing I ask everyone, can't you bring me some actual
quotes from these guys?
Scott replied:
Why should I do your homework for you? I don't have a bunch of quotes handy.
Sam added:
I've actually suggested a number of books for DMB to chase up where he can
investigate these things for himself. He's not yet (to my knowledge)
bothered to break out of Wilberville.
dmb says:
I really don't get it. Isn't the one making the claim responsible for making
that claim clear and credible? Don't we all have to back up what we're
saying? Do I fail to back up and explain what I'm saying?
I'm sure it feels good to recommend a book, especially to a friend who will
thoroughly enjoy it. But your "advice" give me a distinctly different
impression, gents. You are positively dripping with condescension. The
suggestion that I'm hopelessly trapped in ignorance until I've read certain
books or mastered certain fields is ridiculously out of proportion. I'm only
asking that your posts make sense. I'm only asking to do your best to
persuade me that your assertions have some validity. This ploy of telling me
to take up theology strikes me as an evasion of the task requited of you,
rather than a real criticism of me. I've taken a different appraoch to the
same topic and have a basis of my view, which I share. But apparently you
guys have nothing comparable. Apparently, there is no basis for faith but
faith itself so you guys are trying to get me to indoctrinate myself, to
hypnotize myself with theology. Tell me just one thing (cause I'm soooo
ignorant), doesn't theology BEGIN with assumptions I've already rejected?
Maybe Pirsig would drop the whole MOQ thing and go back to SOM if he'd only
read more Hume, eh? He's rejecting it becasue he's ignorant right? I jest,
but you see the point, no?
We all have our intellectual heros. If we are going to accuse each other of
ignorance for reading different authors or prefering different approaches,
then we're all ignorant and it would be simple matter to accuse you of the
same. So what's the point?
The point is, this is a discussion group and you can explain your position
or you can't. Your position makes sense or it doesn't. Its all about what we
write and read here. Don't give me any homework assignments and I won't give
you any, deal? Let's just explain our thoughts, shall we?
I still have well over a hundred posts to read, just in this thread, so I
might be barking up the wrong tree. If there is an unread post that contains
clear explanations, persuasive arguments, supporting evidence and fine
examples, relevant quotes, handy references, or anything else that counts as
makning a case, then I apologize. But if the future is anything like the
past, then I'll soon be complaining about evasions and obfuscations. Let's
say I have faith in the faithful when it comes to that.
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