From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Tue Nov 02 2004 - 14:31:15 GMT
On 1 Nov 2004 at 22:22, Platt Holden wrote:
> msh says:
> Make up what stuff? My statement was a simple conditional, which
> may or may not apply to you.
So why did you say "your understanding" in the statement?
msh says:
Because I was talking to you, and naturally slipped into "your"
rather than "one's." But this doesn't matter because the statement
is true for you or anyone else.
> I was filling in the gaps, trying to understand why
> you'd think that Pirsig's use of metaphor and other poetic devices
> doesn't constitute the writing of poetry.
platt:
So you were applying the statement to me after all.
msh says:
You and anyone else who fails to recognize the poetic nature of ZMM
and LILA, especially of ZMM.
> The only thing I could see, off the top
> of my head, was that the lines weren't short and didn't rhyme. If
> you are now changing your mind and recognizing the highly poetic
> nature of ZMM and LILA, then good for you.
platt:
So now ZMM and LILA are poems? Surely you jest.
msh says:
I've said "poetic nature" more than once. This is sort of off-topic
isn't it?
> platt:
> But he does say Quality is a "creative force" which implies that it
> prefers and chooses.
>
> msh says:
> Sez who? Well, let's use the analogy of the Sun. The sun is a
> creative force. How does it perceive and choose? Similarly, what
> does it mean to say Quality chooses? Chooses what? Compared to
> what?
platt:
Sez Pirsig. Dynamic Quality chooses freedom over one-sided fixed
values and in so doing has created the levels of value from inorganic
to intellectual. Or haven't you read Lila?
msh says:
What I've read in LILA is that individuals and the levels evolve, or
fail to evolve (latch), through individual apprehension, or
misapprehension, of Quality. Isn't this the sense of creation he's
talking about? He doesn't mean, does he, that Quality creates
individuals in the way a painter chooses paints and brushes to create
a painting? Or in the way God is sometimes said to have created the
heavens and the earth?
Best,
Mark (sh)
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