From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Nov 07 2004 - 15:26:32 GMT
Arlo::
> > > Simply evidence you've never read Marx.
Platt:
> > I can't believe you're defending Communism with its 20th century history
> > of genocide across the globe.
Arlo:
> Who's defending genocide? I'm pointing out that if Marx is guilty of
> genocide in Russian, then Ben Franklin is guilty of it here. And for
> slavery and the kkk, and lynchings.
To suggest Karl Marx is the moral equivalent of Ben Franklin is ludicrous.
Next you'll be claiming Saddam Hussein is the morally equal to George Bush
and Tony Blair.
> Bad people do bad things in the name of ideology, Platt. But that does not
> mean the ideology is at fault.
If the ideology justifies the bad things, the ideology is indeed at fault.
Communism is an ideology of totalitarianism as the history of 20th century
proved.
Platt
> > > Unlike the U.S., I know of no geographical
> > > > areas aside by Communists for their opponents to reside in peace.
Arlo:
> > > You mean after being forced off their land, lied to repeatedly in
> > > treaties, given pox-infected blankets, denied justice in so-called
> > > "courts of law", forced to death march across the country, been beaten
> > > in "missonary schools" for speaking their mother tongue, and had their
> > > populations exterminated from over 10 million down to around less than
> > > 1 million (it has since risen back to around 2 million).
Platt:
> > Dubious history from liberal intellectuals with an agenda.
Arlo:
> How so? Because newspeak history from conservative propaganda-ists with an
> agenda want it to be so?
>
> And what is our "liberal" agenda at that? to discredit the great and noble
> white man and his holy nation that has been flawless and a beacon of
> illumination to the barbaric and sub-perfect otherlands? Yeah, Platt, you
> have us liberal intellectuals all figured out.... Our scheme to invent
> indian populations to make moden day white men feel bad just isn't working
> is it?
The great and noble white man codified intellectual rights--or didn't you
read Lila?
> > As Pirsig
> > points out: "Primitive tribes such as the American Indians have no record
> > of sweetness and cooperation with other tribes. They ambushed them,
> > tortured them, dashed their children's brains out on rocks." (Lila, 24)
> > In other words, the killed each other off long before we arrived on the
> > scene. Some Indian groups are more populous today than in 1492.
Arlo:
> Who said they were sweet. I said we exterminated them.
So how come some are more populous today than in 1492?
Arlo:
> And the pilgrim records that clearly show the delivery of pox-blankets,
> and
> their recorded prayers thanking god for the sickness that was ravishing the
> indian populations, the court records of land being clearly taken from
> indian farmers and simply handed over to white farmers.. the written
> accounts of the spanish "masters" in haiti descibing the mutilation and
> tortures, the first hand accounts of the populations being decimated.
Indians tried and often succeeded in killing English settlers. I suppose
you would have preferred that these savages of the biological level
succeed, just like many of your friends on the left want to coddle Muslim
terrorists.
> I see now why you have such contempt for academics.
I see now that you get your history and moral values from the likes of
Michael Moore, George Soros, Whoopi Goldberg, CBS News, the NY Times
and Noam Chomsky.
Platt
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