Re: MD Where does quality reside?

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Nov 10 2004 - 18:37:39 GMT

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    >
    > "He thought it was probably the light that infants see when their world is
    > still fresh and whole, before consciousness differentiates it into
    > patterns." (Lila, 26)

    actually consciouness has to therefore somehow be there to do
    the differentiating, but is this not a Scott type contradictory identity?

    >
    > As regards "non-material consciousness," Pirsig would probably agree that
    > there's no such thing. But for "pure experience,".materiality is
    > irrelevant. "Pure experience cannot be called either physical or
    > psychical: it logically precedes this distinction." (Lila, 29)
    >

    Yes

    > I have always considered consciousness and experience to be
    > interdependent, i.e., you can't have one without the other. I've also
    > viewed the MOQ as presenting not only an evolutionary theory of values but
    > also an evolutionary theory of experience because to Pirsig, values and
    > experience are the same: "Quality is direct experience" (Lila, 5). If
    > consciousness is considered direct experience and direct experience is
    > Quality, then a Metaphysics of Consciousness is what Pirsig proposes.

    Yes, is not self awareness prior to any separation that then produces
    a potential subject-object experience? But it is a long story
    before we get to the self-awareness of subjectivity to allow
    true objects to emerge.

    DM

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