RE: MD The historical context of Pragmatism

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Thu Jan 23 2003 - 04:03:33 GMT

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    matt and all:

    And this year's winner for most names dropped in a single day,..
    is Matt the Enraged! (the crowd goes wild.) But seriously, all these names
    and isms would probably score some points on a test, but I was looking for
    the ideas behind them.

    Thanks,
    DMB

    P.S. It seems that Louis Menand should have called his book, "The
    Anti-Mataphysical Club". Hmmmm. I recieved a copy of it for my birthday and
    will certainly check it out.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin [mailto:mpkundert@students.wisc.edu]
    Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:05 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: Re: MD The historical context of Pragmatism

    DMB, Rick, Glenn,

    DMB said:
    It seems to me that pragmatism is some kind of opposite to existentialism,
    which tended to be expressed in literary forms. This notion seems
    interesting because Pirsig claims the MOQ is in the pragmatic tradition, yet

    it is presented in the form of a novel and is very much concerned with the
    nature of being. He seems to take it all in without contradiction.

    Matt:
    What's interesting about saying that "pragmatism is some kind of opposite
    to existentialism," is that my first two attempts to make Pirsig look more
    normal to the philosophical community were colligations with Husserl,
    Sartre, and Camus, all from the Continental tradition.

    If I may continue and offer my two Rortyan cents on the history of
    pragmatism, though it won't make it a rightful hier of realism as Gardner
    would've liked it, I think that pragmatism had its roots in both
    Continental philosophy and Anglophone philosophy. To tie it up with two of
    the names DMB dropped from the 19th C., Hegel was one of the first
    historicists. He was one of the first to think that history and narratives
    were the way to do philosophy. Hegel was a precursor for Dewey, who, in
    his youth, was a Hegelian. Nietzsche is a prominent name on the Continent
    because much of the work done on it is following in his footsteps in some
    regard. Much of his work is very similar to James (especially on "truth")
    and one of Nietzsche's heroes was Emerson, who the early pragmatists
    regarded very highly. A popular legend is that "Emerson is supposed to
    have visited the James home and blessed the infant William in his cradle."
    (The Metaphysical Club, Louis Menand)

    Among the 20th century names, the logical positivists are better seen as a
    subset of analytic philosophy that failed. The logical positivists in
    particular are the ones who took over American philosophy departments and
    drove out pragmatism, made it unfashionable to study James and Dewey. In
    analytic philosophy, the early Wittgenstein is hailed as a sage, while the
    later Wittgenstein is looked at curiously (as in, "What happened to you?").
     The early Wittgenstein in large part helped birth logical positivism
    (which is anti-pragmatist), but the later Wittgenstein is his turn towards
    pragmatism. Much like Heidegger, the Philosophical Investigations are very
    pragmatic in spirit and critique his earlier work, the Tractatus. The
    later Wittgenstein can be seen as lending a hand in dismantling logical
    positivism. Another hand was lent by Quine. Quine's "Two Dogmas of
    Empiricism" helped bring down the house that Carnap and the early
    Wittgenstein built. The blurring of philosophical distinctions that
    occured in "Two Dogmas" and the later Wittgenstein can be seen as partly
    what led Anglophone philosophy back to pragmatism. Of Heidegger and
    Sartre, they both had their roots in phenomenology, but Heidegger's early
    work isn't quite what Husserl meant by phenomenology and can be seen as
    pragmatist in spirit (other than Rorty, see Heidegger's Pragmatism:
    Understanding, Being and the Critique of Metaphysics by Mark Okrent). When
    Heidegger is following his Husserlian roots, he's not being very pragmatic;
    when he's following his Nietzschean roots, he is. Sartre, on the other
    hand, held onto his Husserlian roots and attempted to fashion a
    metaphysical bedrock for us, which is not very pragmatic.

    So while I might say, under heavy qualification, that pragmatism is in some
    sense opposed to existentialism, I think it more to point to say that
    pragmatism is opposed to metaphysics (and, ultimately, epistemology), which
    was being performed both on the Continent and in the English-speaking
    world. So I agree with Rick and Glenn when Rick says, "The Metaphysics of
    Quality seems in many ways to be just sort of philosophy that James was
    trying to 'debunk'." I think Pirsig was in some sense cognizant of this.
    I think he willfully coopted James because he thought that, ultimately, our
    knowledge and ethics needed to be grounded out in some sort of over-arching
    theory.

    Matt

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