From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 14 2004 - 02:11:23 GMT
Mel said; Quality, as a universal interpenetrating presence,
a collective spirit if you will, seems to me a
good bet also.
I would think this would hold true. Thinking of birds in flight, their
brains are small, and their actions intuitive. They (some not all of course) seem
to be in perfect correlation in their movements. Even in quick movements in
flight, they can stay in sync when changing directions in very quick movements
with what appears to be no time offered for thought of correlating or keeping
step with the others. Could it be that these small brains, all in tune with
each other, with a common objective build the 'Master mind' I have heard
spoken of.
So with the human mind, a number of individuals with the same objectives,
maybe the same goals could create this master mind. This "quiet mind" you speak
of, and the idea that the quiet mind is more, let say, 'In tune'(?) In
meditation, would it be that we are connecting with other quiet minds? Is it
possible that by meditation we are creating a master mind that lies outside the
collective minds that feeds off of and stores energy/knowledge of the collective
of all minds?
If we extend meditation to include prayer, and all the different religions
which pray or meditate, and take away the intellectual word traps,
misunderstood words, difference in languages, or other terminologies you spoke of, what
kind of master mind could that create?
You might even extend this out to those who find their pilgrimage in the
woods, mountain streams, deserts, seas, or even park benches. This might extend
this blending of minds to include meditation, prayer, and contemplation.
The clutter you speak of could be the TV sets, screaming kids (screaming
parents :), drinking buddies ... th elist could go on, but must include the
rushed state of Corporate America with the deadlines and commitments, the working
mothers who were once the soul of the family, and possibly simply that
modern need to be entertained. -- as you said; " . . . and all the
implied arguments over God and the nature of God make it too painful to
consider."
I don't know, it just seems to me to be easier to accept this 'Ready-made'
master mind, the masterful mind at the center of the universe, as opposed to
think that we created the creator. As opposed to trying to explain in terms
that I can't easily accept, such as the ones I offered, it is a bit easier to
think that it was God who created the universe, and God is the source we are
seeking, even in our 'Dialectic truths.'
Maybe I just had a vision. Who knows? But, if Quality resides in everything,
and everything depends on this Quality, then it appears we just renamed God
"Quality."
"The Good," or "The Truth"(?)
It just seems like I keep going back to this one thought, that there has to
be a masterful mind a the center of the universe, and it seems all roads point
to God.
I'm back to what I offered msh from "Zen";
" ... Truth won, the Good lost, and that is why today we have so little
difficulty accepting the reality of truth and so much difficulty accepting the
reality of Quality, even though there is no more agreement in one area than in
the other.
... Phaedrus remembered a line from Thoreau: "You never gain something but
that you lose something." And now he began to see for the first time the
unbelievable magnitude of what man, when he gained power to understand and rule
the world in terms of dialectic truths, had lost. He had built empires of
scientific capability to manipulate the phenomena of nature into enormous
manifestations of his own dreams of power and wealth...but for this he had exchanged
an empire of understanding of equal magnitude: an understanding of what it is
to be a part of the world, and not an enemy of it. "
I'm sorry, this has gotten long, but when we meditate, pray, contemplate, we
are a part of the world. When I ride my old Harley down the backroads of SC,
it may be a form of meditation; it is a form of being part of the world, as
opposed to observing it out of the window of a car.
Scientific truths? Description is not philosophy. I'll leave it at that for
the moment. I guess there is no need to reply to msh as it seems I too only
have to offer the 'Fairy tale' he considers religious thought to be.
Chin
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