From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 14 2004 - 18:20:27 GMT
Hi MSH
No facts without an interpretative framework.
Scientific agreement starts with agreeing our
framework, then we can do the tests and
allow the results to determine what reality
has to say about our framework. You may
not like it, but that's how science really works.
Things/facts can really change, there has been stuff recently
about do particles really exist, is volocity of light really
constant, are genes the only means of inheritance, etc?
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: RE: MD Wisconsin School OKs Creationism Teaching
> Hi David,
>
> On 13 Nov 2004 at 20:19, David Morey wrote:
> MSH: After numerous long discussions with various people, discussions
> wherein it was obvious my point was made, as my final arguments were
> left unanswered, I was dismayed to see the same people, a few posts
> later, talking to someone new but starting over spewing the same old
> shit.
>
> DM: Or maybe some of us thought we just could not get you up a level
> despite out efforts.
>
> msh says.
> Oh brother. I direct you to my earlier post re the need for
> condescension.
>
> Besides, I was not thinking of any of our discussions in re to my
> comments above. What you and I and Scott and Ian have been talking
> about are ideas for which there are no indisputable facts and
> conclusive arguments. That's why the debate.
>
> My comments above were in re to discussions, usually political or
> scientific, where historical and scientific facts were verifiable by
> anyone willing to take the time to do so. Where said facts were
> nevertheless ignored or denied in order to cling to a specific
> agenda. Where sound arguments built upon those facts were dismissed
> without any attempt at logical analysis. Where clearly bad reasoning
> was exposed as such, and yet such reasoning was continued on in later
> posts. These are not the actions of someone who is interested in
> truth.
>
> Later,
> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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