From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Nov 17 2004 - 15:22:50 GMT
All,
Notice that the question, "What is the proper source of morality for a
nation?" continues to be sidestepped by another wild attempt to change the
subject.
> > P.S. Notice that the knee-jerk response so far has been to launch an ad
> > hominem attack on Washington rather than seriously address the question.
Arlo:
> Pointing out historical facts is ad hominem attacks?
>
> The answer, as I read it, is that quoting Washington as proof of the need
> for "religious underpinnings" for a nation's morality is like quoting Sid
> Vicious on the need for musical censorship, or the editor of High Times on
> the morality of the drug war. It was asking for this type of response.
>
> Besides, as I've said, it is the evident "heroification" of these
> "founders" that I find to be a valuable, education lesson in critical
> thinking. As one poster commented, they were just men.
>
> I find it interesting that someone who defends freedom so loudly (in
> financial aspects anyway), would seemingly propose that a theocracy would
> be an improvement for our society. Your staunch support of the religious
> right's agenda (at least surrounding homosexuality and promiscuous sex),
> and now this proposal for religious foundations...
>
> I was thinking about this as I was feeding the campus squirrels over lunch
> (this is true!), earlier you argued strongly (via Pirsig) that New York
> City was the greatest, most dynamic city in the world. It embodied the kind
> of "freedom" from social restrictions you believed made London, Amsterdam,
> etc. "dull".
>
> And yet, how would NYC be if the religious right had its way? Wouldn't it
> become like those Middle Eastern cities you hate so much, with their
> enslaving religious-social restrictions on individuals? Do you think the
> vibrancy of the city you love so much would be maintained? Or, do you think
> you can do away with individual freedoms outside the marketplace and still
> have NYC as it is today?
>
> And another thing... if NYC is the shining example of DQ, and what every
> other city and every other nation should aspire to... why did the citizens
> of NYC (and every other metropolitan area in the US) want Bush out of
> office? Was it because they were aware of the threats to DQ that these
> social level restrictions mandated by the religious right?
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