From: Adam Watt (adamwatt@mac.com)
Date: Wed Nov 17 2004 - 17:49:51 GMT
On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 03:22 pm, Platt Holden wrote:
> Arlo,
>
>>> Not according to Pirsig. He applies some "critical thinking" to the
>>> beliefs of today's intellectuals, pointing out that at times
>>> brutality is
>>> a necessary condition of the good:
>>
>> If the means justify the end "sometimes", does that mean they justify
>> the
>> end "all the time"?
>
> All the time a society is threatened by biological values, yes.
>
>> Because a society must use force to imprison those who break the
>> societal
>> laws, does this lead to the conclusion that any time that society
>> exercises
>> force it is for justifiable reasons?
>
> No.
>
>> Or are there still situations were the use of force by society (say in
>> overthowing a legally elected foreign leader, or selling arms to two
>> opposing factions so that their ongoing killing protects our societies
>> economic interests via a destabilized region, or in slavery, or in
>> planned
>> extermination)... in ANY society is repugnant no matter how you slice
>> it?
>
> It depends on the threat.
>
>> You see, because if not, I am left wondering how when others use
>> brutality
>> to preserve their society, you are not championing this? Or is
>> America the
>> only nation "allowed" to achieve the good through brutality?
>
>
> - Round and round and round and...
> 'Any nation threatened by another nation or by a group (radical Islam)
> that
> initiates a policy of "might makes right" has a moral right to defend
> itself by any means at its disposable.'
Ridiculous.
Newsflash - The entire world operates on the basis that "might makes
right". Ever heard the term 'realpolitik'?.
'advancement of the national interests of a country over ethical or
principled concerns' ?
Hello, America. The primary instigator. Now where does that leave you?
Think about it Holden, if your bigoted mind is capable that is, which
to be honest, I seriously doubt.
You have been programmed.
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