From: Adam Watt (adamwatt@mac.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 2004 - 05:21:29 GMT
On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 11:00 pm, Platt Holden wrote:
> Arlo, Adam:
>
>>> 'Any nation threatened by another nation or by a group (radical
>>> Islam)
>>> that initiates a policy of "might makes right" has a moral right to
>>> defend itself by any means at its disposal.'
>
> For your mutual edification:
>
> "What's coming out of the urban slums, where old Victorian social moral
> codes are almost completely destroyed, isn't any new paradise the
> revolutionaries hoped for, but a reversion to rule by terror, violence
> and
> gang death-the old biological might-makes-right morality of prehistoric
> brigandage that primitive societies were set up to overcome." (Lila,
> 24)
>
> Adam:
>> Hello, America. The primary instigator. Now where does that leave you?
>
> Oh, of course. We flew our own planes into the twin towers.
>
> Adam:
>> Think about it Holden, if your bigoted mind is capable that is, which
>> to be
>> honest, I seriously doubt.
>>
>> You have been programmed.
>
> Another fine example of resorting to smearing if facts and logic can't
> support your argument.
>
> Platt
Is it just me, or is this guy mad? He's quoted half of what I wrote,
avoiding the two questions I asked him by, ummm.. deleting them, and
then posted it as if the what remains of my initial post was responding
to something completely different. The original is below, in case
you're wondering what I'm talking about. How to deal with a crazy
person like this? Oh yeah.. ignore. i remember now..
'Smearing', has nothing to do with it. I just don't deal in false
pleasantries, especially when addressing such unpleasant old bigots.
You are a bigot, as far as I'm concerned that's a fact. And I'm glad
your old. Logically, this minimises the impact you will have on the
world I live in. You opinion, this 'debate' (for sorry want of a better
term), and the fox programmed tunnel vision perspective you have on the
world are fortunately of precisely fuck all consequence. I've watched
you pointlessly push your right wing agenda via this list for months,
your embedded second hand views do not budge an inch, no matter how
many 'facts' and how much 'logic' you confronted with. Infact, i do not
believe you have the capacity, nor the interest, to conduct an
logical, reasonable or rational discussion. Honestly. I believe that to
be beyond you, and I know now better than to bother. I could give you a
multitude of examples of U.S 'might makes right actions'.. but there is
absolutely no point. What I think is that your a very hateful
individual, without doubt programmed by a system adept at doing just
that to intellectually more advanced fools than yourself.. and that you
use the frustration you've built up elsewhere for who knows what reason
(and I could imagine a few based on your charming online persona, but
I'll restrain myself there..) do provide the energy you need for these
endless, illogical, circular posts. I presume you get some perverse
sense of satisfaction from them. Perverse, because you appear to learn
nothing. Nor want to. That's it. You're boring, and not worth bothering
with. I have a million other more constructive things I'd rather spend
my time on.
Just thought you should know. If this post breaks any rules I
apologise, i just felt inclined to speak my mind.
Original post 'pre-holdenification' -
On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 03:22 pm, Platt Holden wrote:
> Arlo,
>
>>> Not according to Pirsig. He applies some "critical thinking" to the
>>> beliefs of today's intellectuals, pointing out that at times
>>> brutality is
>>> a necessary condition of the good:
>>
>> If the means justify the end "sometimes", does that mean they justify
>> the
>> end "all the time"?
>
> All the time a society is threatened by biological values, yes.
>
>> Because a society must use force to imprison those who break the
>> societal
>> laws, does this lead to the conclusion that any time that society
>> exercises
>> force it is for justifiable reasons?
>
> No.
>
>> Or are there still situations were the use of force by society (say in
>> overthowing a legally elected foreign leader, or selling arms to two
>> opposing factions so that their ongoing killing protects our societies
>> economic interests via a destabilized region, or in slavery, or in
>> planned
>> extermination)... in ANY society is repugnant no matter how you slice
>> it?
>
> It depends on the threat.
>
>> You see, because if not, I am left wondering how when others use
>> brutality
>> to preserve their society, you are not championing this? Or is
>> America the
>> only nation "allowed" to achieve the good through brutality?
>
>
> - Round and round and round and...
> 'Any nation threatened by another nation or by a group (radical Islam)
> that
> initiates a policy of "might makes right" has a moral right to defend
> itself by any means at its disposable.'
Ridiculous.
Newsflash - The entire world operates on the basis that "might makes
right". Ever heard the term 'realpolitik'?.
'advancement of the national interests of a country over ethical or
principled concerns' ?
Hello, America. The primary instigator. Now where does that leave you?
Think about it Holden, if your bigoted mind is capable that is, which
to be honest, I seriously doubt.
You have been programmed.
>
>
>
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