From: Simon Magson (twix_570@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 2004 - 09:40:20 GMT
Scott Roberts wrote:
>[Scott:] Please tell me how sense experience verifies that no ratio of
>integers is the square root of 2.
The answer is that none of the answers that you can come up with to that
mathematical question have quality. You are looking for an answer that
fulfils a harmony, you know when you have found that harmony because you
sense it, even before you have fully committed the answer to mathematical
expression.
I would also deny that value is a sense
>experience. It rides along with all sense experience, and with reason.
According to the MOQ it directs both experience and reason. Reasonable means
the same thing as intellectually valuable.
Nor
>is it phenomenal. The point of the MOQ is that value precedes the
>phenomenal/noumenal distinction.
From the Copleston paper on Anthony McWatt's website:
Copleston: For the empiricists who embraced phenomenalism tended to reduce
both physical objects and minds to impressions or sensations, and then to
reconstruct them with the aid of the principle of the association of ideas.
They implied that, basically, we know only phenomena, in the sense of
impressions, and that, if there are metaphenomenal realities, we cannot know
them.
Pirsig: This is what the MOQ states. Right away it diverges from the
absolute idealism that follows. Quality is a phenomenal reality.
SM
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