From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Jan 24 2003 - 18:36:31 GMT
Hi Platt
I accept that Persig acknowledges the instinc tive sensing of reality, but x
and y matter also.
Joe
> > Can one instinctive sense be configured
> > to sense quality, existence, and purpose? IMO it requires three
instincts
> > to sense the different dimensions needed for levels of orders.
>
> I suggest that quality, existence and purpose are all dimensions of
> value. So one instinct for value would account for all.
>
> > joe: i was using the term "deconstruction" in its sense of revealing
> > something underlying. Actions come fron an instinctive purpose.
Knowledge
> > (patterns) come from a different instinct.
> >
> > "First you sense the high or low quality". this statement seems to be
> > related to a goal. Self-preservation is from purpose and "high or low"
is
> > the action. "High or low quality" is a statement of the existence of
> > patterns. This is a description of the interworking of plural
instincts.
> > "Then you find the reasons for it, not the other way around.", what I do
is
> > not what I wish to do! I wish to do it and I am not aware of it. In
both
> > cases the action is done to me. The need for reflection again
reinforces
> > the need for multiple instincts.
>
> A single instinct or overall "sense of value" is reiterated in Pirsig's
paper,
> Subjects, Objects, Data & Values:
>
> "The Metaphysics of Quality follows the empirical tradition here in
> saying that the senses are the starting point of reality, but -- all
> importantly -- it includes a sense of value. Values are phenomena. To
> ignore them is to misread the world. It says this sense of value, of
liking
> or disliking, is a primary sense that is a kind of gatekeeper for
> everything else an infant learns. At birth this sense of value is
extremely
> Dynamic but as the infant grows up this sense of value becomes more
> and more influenced by accumulated static patterns."
>
> Whether the value one senses is considered an action, knowledge,
> purpose, or a reflection, they are all detectable by the value sense. An
> imperfect analogy would be imagining that your value sense is like
> radar, picking up blips from all quarters of your experience with each
> blip registering different value phenomena.
>
> Platt
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