From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 21 2004 - 22:33:26 GMT
In a message dated 11/21/04 4:07:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk writes:
well I would say MOQ calls us to go beyond academic intellect
in so far as the academic is full of SOM. But if the intellectual is to
be a true 4th level it has to organise the social and that means
getting its hands dirty with politics. But first it needs to take over the
4th level as part of propoerly organising the 3rd level. If we want true
democracy
we are all going to have to get better at thinking.
Hi DM,
I can't disagree, but what concerns me is this 'All' as in everyone in the
democracy. If we can build an intellectual society, then yes that would take
care of the political. This would mean that 'All' would need an intellectual
desire (or whatever you want to call it). For th emoment, it seems the media
controls the intellect, at least here in the US, even though the media is
obviously nonintellectual.
This is not in disagreement with what you are saying. I do agree the
intellect needs to make the decisions that control the political environment, but
the political environment, democracy included, is a representation of 'All'
people, and their intellect is not considered in the value their vote has in a
democratic society. The control of the political environment over the vote is
controlled by the wealthy, as well as the corruption of the democracy.
This should not stop us in our efforts to promote 'Thinking.' It has been
stated in a number of ways by a number of philosophers from Socrates to
Pirsig, but you would have to have the ability or desire to think in order to hear
the message. This thinking could be what makes the difference between low
quality decisions and high Quality decisions.
If our decisions are of high Quality, and enough high Quality decisions
stacked on top of each other, it could lead us to a position of wealth or
recognition that we would be listened to.
I can offer examples of this in Warren Buffett and John (Jack) Bogle who
after becoming successful and highly recognized do speak out against the
corruptions of government. I'm sure there are others, but these two are all I have a
familiarity with as I have been involved with finding value, or Quality in
investment decisions. This may be where my critical view of managing to teach
a society to 'Think' comes from -- but that's a whole 'nother story. :o)
Chin
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