From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Nov 22 2004 - 19:38:16 GMT
when will it end? well apparently the have-mores will keep telling bigger and bigger lies
and will take us closer and closer to the edge, I suspect eventually even the most dumb
of us will take the option of no longer supporting the scam and without our support its
power is zero. So in the end the dumb get one shot at inheriting this world of plenty.
DM
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From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: MD Intellect as highest value
In a message dated 11/21/04 4:07:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk writes:
well I would say MOQ calls us to go beyond academic intellect
in so far as the academic is full of SOM. But if the intellectual is to
be a true 4th level it has to organise the social and that means
getting its hands dirty with politics. But first it needs to take over the
4th level as part of propoerly organising the 3rd level. If we want true democracy
we are all going to have to get better at thinking.
Hi DM,
I can't disagree, but what concerns me is this 'All' as in everyone in the democracy. If we can build an intellectual society, then yes that would take care of the political. This would mean that 'All' would need an intellectual desire (or whatever you want to call it). For th emoment, it seems the media controls the intellect, at least here in the US, even though the media is obviously nonintellectual.
This is not in disagreement with what you are saying. I do agree the intellect needs to make the decisions that control the political environment, but the political environment, democracy included, is a representation of 'All' people, and their intellect is not considered in the value their vote has in a democratic society. The control of the political environment over the vote is controlled by the wealthy, as well as the corruption of the democracy.
This should not stop us in our efforts to promote 'Thinking.' It has been stated in a number of ways by a number of philosophers from Socrates to Pirsig, but you would have to have the ability or desire to think in order to hear the message. This thinking could be what makes the difference between low quality decisions and high Quality decisions.
If our decisions are of high Quality, and enough high Quality decisions stacked on top of each other, it could lead us to a position of wealth or recognition that we would be listened to.
I can offer examples of this in Warren Buffett and John (Jack) Bogle who after becoming successful and highly recognized do speak out against the corruptions of government. I'm sure there are others, but these two are all I have a familiarity with as I have been involved with finding value, or Quality in investment decisions. This may be where my critical view of managing to teach a society to 'Think' comes from -- but that's a whole 'nother story. :o)
Chin
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